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How do you resist the urge to buy another refractor?

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#26 Derek Wong

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Posted 07 September 2016 - 05:31 PM

I have not practiced what I preach, but here are some suggestions

 

1.  Stop your email notifications from Astromart and CN, and don’t check the websites either.  Instead of doing that, either go observe or find a non-astro activity.

 

2.  Look through your similar sized scopes and realize that the views are fairly similar

 

3.  Find a friend or friends who like to buy scopes and swap scopes for a while – this satisfies the new scope urge without having to buy and sell anything

 

4.  Talk with your spouse and realize the extent of the hoard/disease.  Put all of the astro equipment in one place to see it visually

 

5.  Limit your time on the refractors and/or classics forum

 

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#27 macdonjh

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Posted 07 September 2016 - 05:39 PM

I'm wiwth Jon I. on this one: I remember that my reflectors have much more light grasp than my refractor, so one refractor is enough to get my "refractor fix" when the urge bites.



#28 sg6

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Posted 07 September 2016 - 05:46 PM

A new one has to fit in and be sufficently different to what I have.

Not overly bothered by large apertures, at present the one I would like to get hold of is a Megrez 72. Strange overly not bothered by the Zenith Star 71's or similar.

 

Price has to be sensible as well, if either used or new.

Seen a used WO 71 that I would have considered but the person wants/wanted a somewhat silly price.



#29 CounterWeight

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Posted 07 September 2016 - 07:00 PM

If I had to do a 'top 10 reasons to resist', number one is my bank account balance.  Next would be 'where I live'.  Third would be 'where I live'....



#30 BRCoz

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Posted 07 September 2016 - 07:18 PM

I don't know how to resist.  Non APOs 60mm & 127mm  APOs 2 80mm, 102mm & 130mm.  Kinda have my eye on a AT115mm to fill a void.



#31 PXR-5

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Posted 07 September 2016 - 08:29 PM

Spouse, bank balance, retirement balance, other hobbies, travel wishes, home repairs, while I could buy any scope I want, I just stop and think.

#32 MooEy

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Posted 07 September 2016 - 08:46 PM

Surf every telescope website, forum, etc and realise there is nothing left for you to buy...

 

~MooEy~



#33 vahe

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Posted 07 September 2016 - 09:20 PM

When Tak introduced their 100 f/9 DL my AP 155 f/9 EDT made it clear that we had to have a little brother for him, but lucky me, all DL's quickly vanished, hope Tak does not come with another run of their DL's, if that happens I will end up with two f/9's.

 

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#34 Allan Wade

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Posted 08 September 2016 - 01:58 AM

My three refractors are different to each other, so allow me to do/observe different things. Any time spent with a new refractor would be at the expense of the ones I have now, and I like them so much I don't want to cheat on them. So I'm more than happy to spend my refractor time between just three scopes.



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Posted 08 September 2016 - 02:29 AM

I look at the balance in my checkbook and my projected expenses and then I can make a decision. The ultimate in simplicity. :)

 

As an old friend of mine used to say : " It's not that I can't afford a Ferrari, It's just that it would look stupid parked next to the tent ! " :)


Edited by banatop, 08 September 2016 - 02:33 AM.


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Posted 08 September 2016 - 07:52 AM

Having a 12.5" f/6.5 Lockwood/Teeter dob.

 

With respect, there is no refractor available in the consumer market at any price  that will, 1)  show as much detail and provide as much contrast transfer on planets and the moon, 2) split closer and fainter double stars and 3) be able to delve as deep into the deep sky as my Newt.  And  all with 100% perfect APOchromaticism....

 

Kind of makes me refractor proof....

 

Dave



#37 Daniel Mounsey

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Posted 08 September 2016 - 08:13 AM

Say you have a five inch refractor....you see one for sale that you've always thought was cool....Pentax 125, FS128....but you already *have* a wonderful five inch apo,

how do you STOP from buying another?

 

Or you have great three, four, five inch refractors....and there's a 4.5 inch!  how do you STOP

 

Or you have an f/7.5 but always hankered for an f/6, how do you STOP

 

Or there's a 6 inch, you know you wouldn't use it much, but you find yourself plotting to sell your current refractors in order to buy it...how do you STOP

 

TV's boring, it' s a cloudy night and full moon, and you are cruising astromart for refractors how do you STOP

 

That's real easy. Once you believe strongly that you have have something good, then there's no reason to change it. I have no plans on selling or replacing my 4" or 6" frac. They meet my standards. 



#38 Sky Muse

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Posted 08 September 2016 - 08:15 AM

"How do you resist the urge to buy another refractor?"

 

That's easy.  I once bought a Takahashi, and ever since I've only been interested in perusing smaller achromats on eBay and elsewhere.



#39 Phillip Creed

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Posted 08 September 2016 - 08:25 AM

Resisting the urge to buy another refractor is easy.  I'm one one income following a recent divorce, so I resist debt like the plague.  If I have the money, fine, but if I have to finance it or put >$1,000 on a credit card, it ain't happening.  I simply don't like debt, and I know I'll never pay 15% interest on cash.

Another reason I'm not keen on accumulating refractors is that I prefer buying used vs. new astro-gear, and buying a used refractor has a higher PITA Factor.  If I get a used dob, 99% of the time I'm getting a fully-functional optical system from the get-go.  Not so in 'Frac Land, where I may--or may not--have to shop around and pay extra for a mount, a diagonal, tube rings, finders, case, Vixen dovetails, or some combination thereof.  Again, recent divorcee here; my threshold for drama has dropped to around zero, so I prefer a one-stop-shopping, full package when I plunk down funds for a telescope.  It's not to say you can't find a fully-operational package on the used markets (I more or less did with my 110mm f/6 EON), but the odds aren't as high as they are with used reflectors.

Clear Skies,

Phil



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Posted 08 September 2016 - 08:34 AM

Over the years, I gradually bought and sold enough refractors until I got the ones I think are the "best" for me.  I also know what the past few years of medical issues have cost me and my family, so as much as I would love to buy a bigger refractor -- I cannot get something that I cannot handle.

 

Now, when I see a very tempting ad on A-mart, I look around at what I have and that usually stops me from sending the "I'll buy it!" email.

 

But that sure doesn't stop me from dreaming!  I just passed up a nice TOA-130 and a TEC 160  (both are too heavy). <sigh>  ​ ​ :flowerred:

 

Cheers,

 

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#41 James Stanski

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Posted 08 September 2016 - 08:48 AM

We all have some inner sense of 'lack'.  Interesting what we try to fill it with.



#42 mikey cee

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Posted 08 September 2016 - 09:31 AM

A large refractor of 10" is all I'll ever need. Observatory size limits me to this anyways. I'd never see any real difference as the return on investment has been reached. :cool:   Mike



#43 Danny206

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Posted 08 September 2016 - 09:36 AM

I try to tell myself its just base greed that creates the urge for another unjustifiable and unneeded refractor. And then I run out and buy it anyway.  :(



#44 karstenkoch

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Posted 08 September 2016 - 10:53 AM

Field STOP, collaborate and listen.

 

SV is back with a whole new invention



#45 karstenkoch

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Posted 08 September 2016 - 11:01 AM

I don't know how to resist.  Non APOs 60mm & 127mm  APOs 2 80mm, 102mm & 130mm.  Kinda have my eye on a AT115mm to fill a void.

 

102mm to 130mm ... one void.

 

Okay, buy the 115mm.

 

102mm to 115mm to 130mm ... two voids.

 

:gaah:



#46 Brian A

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Posted 08 September 2016 - 11:21 AM

Don't resist. Give yourself to the Dark Side...



#47 gnowellsct

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Posted 09 September 2016 - 06:41 PM

I note that some people are caught in a loop where they're constantly looking for the next something and end up cycling through hundreds of scopes.....  And they often end up buying the same model scope over and over.  In fact, I know of instances where the person actually bought an instrument back from someone he'd sold to, and then sold it again.    



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Posted 09 September 2016 - 06:47 PM

Having a 12.5" f/6.5 Lockwood/Teeter dob.

With respect, there is no refractor available in the consumer market at any price that will, 1) show as much detail and provide as much contrast transfer on planets and the moon, 2) split closer and fainter double stars and 3) be able to delve as deep into the deep sky as my Newt. And all with 100% perfect APOchromaticism....

Kind of makes me refractor proof....

Dave


Check out a good Lunt Engineering 152 on the moon sometime, and get back to me 😇

#49 Scott Beith

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Posted 09 September 2016 - 10:54 PM

Sold an 80,100. It's easy to stop. Just focus on solar mostly. Solar you just need an Lunt scope, a 152 for CaK, and a regular 80-90mm for White Light. Bandwidths covered, and just about everything but aperture. Then go big.

I have an 80, 102, and 130 and I am done.  That said...

 

I have a NEED for an 80mm Lunt and a 152mm Lunt for solar.   :grin:



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Posted 09 September 2016 - 11:27 PM

And consider a small scope is 14"-


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