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[moonwatching ferret]

Well its a cloudy night so I figured I would spend some time processing some Lunar avi. and  hang around the forum. 

 I have a brilliant Idea for another challenge being there are small bore planetary challenges.i won't have my 12"f6 together for some time because i have to wait for funding and a decent mount so imaging this particular region of the moon with a large scope wont happen for some time. I was just going to ask some one to take the image but starting a dedicated thread seemed to be easier and more fun. A dedicated thread may also produce better results. there are some pretty nice images of the moon from large instruments. The best I will be able to image on the most clear night with my optics show room clean and perfectly colimated  won't be close to what a 12" - 16 inch would get. I want to see the smallest and finest details possible.

 If your a large scope owner and not familiar with Hadley rille its obviously a rille on the lunar surface at the base of the Apennines range the best time to image the area is just after first quarter to waxing gibbous or what seems to even be better waning gibbous or just before last quarter. seems the image I recorded the sun was already to high up once that happens its hard to see much fine detail. so without typing a whole page and going on and on I will leave this thread to the fine people on this forum to dump there awesome images here 

thanks My close up is the best I could do with bad seeing. Lots of turbulence, fast moving clouds and poor polar alignment  prevented me from getting a 3x barlowed image. Best thing to do is wake up early in the am and image the region during a waning gibbous phase when the moon is higher in the sky  

[GeorgeInDallas]

Here is an image that I made of this area back in January under good conditions. 

 

Equipment

C14 XLT on CGE Pro mount

2.5x Televue Powermate

ASI174MM camera

 

Acquisition:

Fire capture 

Short video (probably around 30 sec, I have deleted the original data)

 

Processing

Autostakkert 2

Registax

Photoshop

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Edited by GeorgeInDallas, 13 September 2016 - 12:52 PM.

[moonwatching ferret]

cool so thats a c14 with a 2.5x powermte.and already a lot more detail then my 6 inch f8 looks great. Is that cropped from a larger image?. my close up was cropped from the larger image posted on the same page

[Al Paslow]

Here's mine.

 

Celestron 11 inch April 15, 2016

 

 

 

To see full size go here:

https://photos.smugm...b3_ap194-XL.png

 

Al Paslow

Bethel Park, PA

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[GeorgeInDallas]

My C14/ASI174mm is nearly full frame. It has been trimmed from 1936×1216 to 1660x1130 because of field drifting during the video. 

 

George

[moonwatching ferret]

now thats getting sweet. apparently I wont have to wait it out till this cycles waning gibbous on the account its a historic site and easy to recognize details were men once walked. perfect focus and excelant see ing are crucial elements in imaging. looks like you nailed the focus part and the see ing. I will be ready soon to re build my 12inch f6 its a parks mirror. I will send it to owl to have it tsted and coated. I have had it in a scope before and even had it at stelephane. and people who looked through it said i had an excellent mirror cant wait to see what I can get.. still doing some evening work around the house but ill chime in later  those dang palm trees need constant trimming lol

 

 Your both images make mine look so low detailed but my seeing was horific. the wind kept movingt the scope and clouds

Edited by moonwatching ferret, 13 September 2016 - 06:34 PM.

[moonwatching ferret]

Wow one whole earth day and no new posts... Where is everyone I was hopping for a dcent turn out. some body has to have some good files on this subject

Edited by moonwatching ferret, 14 September 2016 - 03:32 PM.

[Luc CATHALA]

Hello

With my 24"I made this one some time ago.

Clear sky.

Luc

Picture at 150%.

[moonwatching ferret]

Wow. Thats what I am talking about. You can see all kinds of detail in this one. looks like you could have boosted magnification quite a bit with a 3x or posibly a 5x powermate .0 I am confused 625 is around 24" correct what was your fl. can you try to get closer in next time you get a chance. that image is awesome

[Dobermann]

Hello! Our Apenninus made 2 years ago:

http://www.astronomi..._Apenninus.html

[moonwatching ferret]

 so far luc and Doberman have posted some real detailed images of the area but they are not close ups detailing the imediate area. booth images when zoomed in show the north and southformations in this close up. I am prety sure no earth bond telescope will show the exact spot of the lunar lander but it would be nic to even see a hint of the trails made with the lunar rover. Its just interesting to see how advanced lunar and planetary images have become over the years. if this were 15 years ago I dont think we would be looking at images this detailed.

 Unfortunately I am a poor man and have to wait a month or two before I can afford to re build another scope around my 12 inch. i also located a 16 inch f 6 mirror that sounds interesting.it will be a bit smaller then lucs telescope but shouldn't  be so effected  by turbulence. the 16 will have an extra26" fl and 2 inch around the wholw mirror. unfortunately the mirror i was looking at is 3 inch thick and ill require one heck of a strong mount. or a dob on a tracking platform which seems to be the most appropriate way to go. 

 this is a close up of the area with surounding objects labled the rim itself doesn't realy look so huge when you look at the close up with the astronaut 

[moonwatching ferret]

 to bad they didn't just go crazy spinning around a bunch of donuts with the rover to make a large scale man made object on the moon so in the future we could image it

[Al Paslow]

I understand that there are matters to be considered however, take a look at the full size image I posted earlier via the link below.

 

I see no appreciable amount of detail between my image taken with an 11 inch telescope and the image posted here by the 24 inch telescope, despite twice the aperture.

 

Examine the full sized image at the following link:

 

 

https://photos.smugm...g3_b3_ap194.png

[moonwatching ferret]

 I agree with you I suppose even if the 24 inch may also have a much longer fl it depends on how the individual imaged the area , what size barlow did they use.. i to can place a3 element 2x Barlow into a 3x barlow tube without a lense in it, This will pull the lense back even further thus giving more magnification however because i am imaging with a 6" f8 I loose resolution . i to can increase magnification to the point that I have t do a mosaic to get the whole crater but i loose image quality. my point I don't think luc had intentionally imaged this regeon at high magnification. theres a pic of his scope  and the fl looks long, twice as long then my 12"f6. I asked him in a pm if he could try to image the area with high magnification. only because its a very interesting site. we have a map  and photos to compare our images to and a definite place where men walked on the moon.

  Back to your image there are3e no real differences at all. and in a week or less when theres a waning gibous to last quarter moon when rima hadley is a prime imaging target, the moon will be high in the sky in calm morning air then whoever wants to take part in this thread can break out the 3x and 5x barlows and try to get the best close ups they can. 

 I anm happy to see tor image I can expect to get a similar image when i re build my 12" f6 looking foward to what i can get

 

I still say its not aperture that gives magnification but focal length. however long focal length reqires a certain amount of aperture to create fine resolution's I guess. Thats why f10 and slower newtonian scopes are defined as planetary scopes

[moonwatching ferret]

I like the close up of the astronaut and his lunar rover next to rima hadley . I am not quite sure exactly how wide this object is and not sure if its a deception of distance due to the fact that its a photo from the surface of the moon and theres no atmosphere but it seems like you could easily walk down one side of rima hadley and up the other side in no time. is it me or is this rim not that wide at all

[james7ca]

This was from July 13 of this year with a 9.25" EdgeHD and a ZWO ASI178MM-Cool camera (best 30% of about 270 frames). This is a crop from the full frame, the original also included Plato and the Alpine Valley. I still have about 4 times as much video to process, so I think I can do a bit better once I combine the sequences. Processing was with AutoStakkert!, Registax, and Photoshop CC2015.

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[dvmak]

Here is a crop of my image, TAL-250K (250mm F=2130mm) with 2x Barlow and ASI174MM.

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Edited by dvmak, 17 September 2016 - 06:34 AM.

[BKBrown]

Here is mine taken with an EdgeHD 1100 back in 2013 for my ongoing "Lunar 100 Gallery" project...

 

 

Clear Skies,

Brian

[moonwatching ferret]

well judging from illumination in dvmak's beautiful color moon image and what I think the moon looks like tonight(I cant see it to well a lot of clouds) It seems like tuesday morning and wednsday morning are prime  or possibly  Thursday morning . hint hint large scope owners ****

[james7ca]

Or, to determine the best time you can try NASA's Dial-A-Moon:  http://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/4404

[moonwatching ferret]

 Thanks for posting that. That is a pretty neat program looks like the 21 to 22 at 20 ut i need to figure ut for my area at around 5 am to sunrise which is when its best to image looks like clavius and tycho will also be good targets, I wish I had my 16"f6 dream scope set up.

[moonwatching ferret]

Looks like last night was the better night. I had locat t storms after midnight and high altitude clouds in the am. rima hadley will be to close to the terminator by tomorrow before sunrise I think. I wanted to capture it during a waning gibbous moon because the moon is higher in the sky and just before dawn the atmosphere would be calmer then in the evening. oh well I will wait till next month. hopefully it will be cool, transparent and calm by then. who knows maby I will have my 12 set up by then but more likely by december. i am also thinking of a 16f6 but thats a hue scope it wold take half the garage **** or i can live in it and save rent 

Edited by moonwatching ferret, 21 September 2016 - 02:49 PM.

[james7ca]

I combined all of my frames from the session I had on July 13 and produced this modestly improved result (from post #16). Taken with a 9.25" EdgeHD and a ZWO ASI178MM-Cool camera (best 50% of 1890 frames).  This is a crop from the full frame, the original extended from Plato to Eratosthenes (most of Mare Imbrium, at least up until the terminator). Processing was with AutoStakkert!, PixInsight, and Photoshop CC2015.

 

Here is a link to Flickr where you can view an uncropped image:  https://flic.kr/p/M65oj1

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Edited by james7ca, 24 September 2016 - 04:30 PM.

[RAC]

I've been waiting for some really nice seeing for shooting this place on the moon but I haven't seen that good seeing yet.

 

This is a not so great pic done with my 20" f3.8

 

 

 

[RedLionNJ]

Going by the REALLY close-up annotated map (from lunar orbit, no doubt), I would doubt anything much smaller than 'Bridge' is resolvable from Earth. "Elbow", for example, is likely beyond the reach of Earthbound instruments (of any size).