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#1 Dakota1

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Posted 28 September 2016 - 01:05 PM

Looking at getting a set of good performance binoculars for astronomy use. Looking at the Oberwerk 28X110, 20X110 or the 45deg APM 100mm ED SemiApo binoculars on a Oberwerk 5000 series tripod. Which of these three do you feel will give the best overall views and clarity? I have no eye problems at my age of 76 years old. I see APM is coming out with a newer version of the  APM 100mm 45deg SemiApo  (grey model) upping the F/L to 550mm the black set are 500mm. Appreciate feedback on these binoculars to get me in the correct direction on what you feel are the best overall binoculars for over all astronomy use. I am not really into planets mostly galaxies nebulas and general observing.  Thanks

 

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Posted 28 September 2016 - 02:47 PM

My humble opinion:

Of the ones you mention, if you go for a fixed mag. binocular with no changeable eypieces etc., the 28x110 is very good choice with a nice bright and sharp image, but it is a heavy beast to carry and mount.

The BTs with changeable eypieces give you much more flexibility, though, and for those, I think the new APM Semi-Apo (not out yet) will be the best option.

But since you also mention the 20x110, I am not sure whether you currently have any smaller binos (e.g. 10x50, or somewhat larger at 16x70 or so) to go with any of the larger ones, which would make much sense both for initial deep sky scanning and general observation.

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Posted 28 September 2016 - 03:20 PM

Pinac; Thanks for the feedback.  I do have a pair of Nikon 10X50's which I really like BUT I want more power. I got spoiled having many different reflectors and refractors. I had back and hip problems that would not let me set up and tear them down. It will not be a problem with any of these binoculars to set up and tear down. I kind of figured to wait till the new APM binoculars are available especially the 45 deg pair. I had a pair I think were Orion 25 X 100 a few years back bought them used and had to many problems with them and got rid of them. The glass in them was horrible had to go.   Thanks again for your input

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Posted 28 September 2016 - 03:24 PM

I had the 25X100's and the APM 100 Semi's (original version) are far superior for the 45° eyepieces and the ability to change out the eyepieces.

I can't see the extra 10mm in the fixed Binoculars making that much more of a difference.

 

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Posted 28 September 2016 - 04:50 PM

Junomike; Thanks for the feedback appreciated. The APM 45deg Semi-Apo you have are they the black set? Another question with the APM's can you see M57 Ring Nebula with them? Interesting to know. Thanks again
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Posted 28 September 2016 - 06:42 PM

Bill, Yes, and Yes.  I've seen M57 in telescopes as small as 72mm (never owned and smaller)

 

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Posted 28 September 2016 - 06:57 PM

Thanks Junomike appreciate it

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Posted 29 September 2016 - 12:46 AM

I had the 25X100's and the APM 100 Semi's (original version) are far superior for the 45° eyepieces and the ability to change out the eyepieces.

I can't see the extra 10mm in the fixed Binoculars making that much more of a difference.

 

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Probably depends on the make and model.

But between my Argus 25x100 (arguably one of the best 25x100s) and the APM 28x110, the difference (in terms of brightness and crispness of the image) of the extra 10mm is bigger than I had expected.

The APM 100 Semi may be a different story, though.



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Posted 29 September 2016 - 10:36 AM

Pinac: In your last post you wrote I quote= THE APM 100 SEMI MAY BE A DIFFERENT STORY, THOUGH. How so??? Another thing has any
one ever tried to use a 45deg quality diagonal into the 45deg eyepiece holder of the APM bino's and put the eyepiece itself into
the diagonal? I would think if I am correct the bino's would not come into focus due to the increased light path thru the added
diagonal. Sure would be a cheaper way to create a 90deg binocular. Just a thought???
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Posted 29 September 2016 - 10:58 AM

Pinac: In your last post you wrote I quote= THE APM 100 SEMI MAY BE A DIFFERENT STORY, THOUGH. How so???

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If the future APM SemiApo turns out to be as good as the initial statements about it indicate, then the difference of 10mm aperture (between 100 and 110) may not be as relevant as it is now between the Argus 25x100 and the Oberwerk 28x110. That's all I meant with that remark.



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Posted 09 November 2016 - 11:33 PM

Pinac, as a proud owner and user of the 25 x 100's, I feel that I should at least say something. First, ed models will cost alot more. However, if you have the funds, I say go-for-it.

 As for going from the 25 x 100's to the 28 x 110's, I am contenplating exactly that at the moment,

First, the 28-power models have much better eyepieces and the apparent field are similar to using TeleVue 24-mm panoptic eyepieces. Meaning that you will be getting close, but not quite, to a 68-degree apparent field of view.

Also, from what I have read from those who made the switch, the 110's have oversized prisms. Don't quote me on this, but according to the accounts that I have read, the combination of slightly better glass in the objectives, better coatings, the better and over-sized prisms and better eyepieces will show a definite brighter image than the 25 x 100's. An image which is noticeably brighter! The guys that made the switch to the bigger models say that paying almost twice as much as the original is worth it, 10 extra mm per eye may not seem like much, but the images formed in the visual cortex of your occipatal lob does not lie.

I have loved and have been using "giant" astro binos for almost 31 years, so I believe that the experience alone that I have gives me the right to try to mentor others the best that I can. 

After all,what's point of having all of this experience and not at least try to help others with their decision making to the best of my ability.

Trying to remain at least a little humble after all these years - RalphMeister



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Posted 10 November 2016 - 12:58 AM

Pinac; Thanks for the feedback.  I do have a pair of Nikon 10X50's which I really like BUT I want more power. I got spoiled having many different reflectors and refractors. I had back and hip problems that would not let me set up and tear them down. It will not be a problem with any of these binoculars to set up and tear down. I kind of figured to wait till the new APM binoculars are available especially the 45 deg pair. I had a pair I think were Orion 25 X 100 a few years back bought them used and had to many problems with them and got rid of them. The glass in them was horrible had to go.   Thanks again for your input

Bill

 

These binoculars are substantial, if size and weight are issues, how about a 4 or 5 inch ED/apo refractor on an alt-az mount?  

 

Jon




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