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#1 John_K

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 06:42 PM

Hi guys,

 

 

Just wondering what everyone's thoughts are about this scope?

 

https://www.bintel.c...russ-newtonian/

 

https://www.optcorp....-newtonian.html

 

I currently use a 12.5" f/5 scope and need something it that will be more portable for me and will be only used for Deep Sky astrophotography.

 

The only issue I have with the spec I see is that there is only 51mm of back focus. My current set up uses 105mm of back focus which means I may be looking at having to get a new low profile filter wheel and OAG. As well, I currently use the Baader MPCC coma corrector and feel that I will also need a new Televue coma corrector to cope with the f/4 optics.

 

Also looks like the focuser will be inadequate and will need to be upgraded.

 

Thoughts?

 

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#2 stubeeef

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 07:06 PM

Looks sexy!

The 51mm may be enough if the trusses are measured for it to be what its advertised to be

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Posted 06 July 2017 - 07:15 PM

I have had the scope for a week. Purchased from Bintel and shipped down to Dunedin NZ.

Very well made especially for a GSO and good value for the $$.

I replaced the GSO focuser with my 2.5" Moonlite.

The back focus is about 180mm above the focusing plate.

The primary is a conical.

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#4 glend

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Posted 07 July 2017 - 12:37 AM

Looks sexy!

The 51mm may be enough if the trusses are measured for it to be what its advertised to be

>> An Imagining Newtonian <<

Only one way to find out, and we will love hearing about it...waytogo.gif

'Looking sexy', is that a reason to pay twice the price for a normal imaging newt of the same size.  For an f4 its not that light weight either.  But marketing is everything these days, stick some trusses on it and charge double. Don't forget to buy a shroud too.

 

If JohnK already has an f5 newt, he is going to give up focal length. If JohnK has a standard GSO made newt he can simply buy a carbon tube from Tekeskop-Express that is pre-bored for standard GSO focuser, mirror cells, etc and just swap over. 

 

Sexy verses functional, is it worth a premium.


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Posted 07 July 2017 - 07:58 AM

My advice for anyone looking at a big astrograph would be to look at the Boren Simon scopes.  These are f/4 (native) and include a Keller reducer and coma corrector so the system can work at f/2.8.

 

I don't image, but I have the 6" f/2.8 version and I love love love it!    Seeing the huge and highly detailed Lagoon Nebula with IC 4685 and Trifid Nebula all in the same true field is so amazing and stars are sharp right to the edge of my 2.4 degree true field!

 

Boren Simon on Minitower.jpg

 

The Keller corrector mounts in the focuser and can be removed to use in other scopes though most scopes will need the primary moved up to reach focus (and possible secondary oversizing). 

 

A lot of people don't know about the Boren Simons, but they are a great option.

 

 

 

 

 


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Posted 07 July 2017 - 07:59 AM

Also, Telescope Express can build up a Newt up for you to your own specs, so if you need a lot of back focus they can do that.



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Posted 07 July 2017 - 07:59 PM

 

Looks sexy!

The 51mm may be enough if the trusses are measured for it to be what its advertised to be

>> An Imagining Newtonian <<

Only one way to find out, and we will love hearing about it...waytogo.gif

'Looking sexy', is that a reason to pay twice the price for a normal imaging newt of the same size.  For an f4 its not that light weight either.  But marketing is everything these days, stick some trusses on it and charge double. Don't forget to buy a shroud too.

 

If JohnK already has an f5 newt, he is going to give up focal length. If JohnK has a standard GSO made newt he can simply buy a carbon tube from Tekeskop-Express that is pre-bored for standard GSO focuser, mirror cells, etc and just swap over. 

 

Sexy verses functional, is it worth a premium.

 

I didn't purchase the scope because it was 'sexy,' I purchased the scope because I wanted a scope to hold collimation across the sky at f4 with the weight of an imaging train attached which it something my 10" GSO can't do. And yes, I have a teleskop-express carbon tube for my GSO 10" f4 (see image) which I have been using over three years of imaging. The problem with is this that it still has the original GSO primary cell and rather flimsy spider from the original $400 telescope. 

 

The teleskop-express tube was pre-bored for my Moonlite 2.5 and is not strengthen around the focuser.  Also the focusing hole was matched to my required back focus.

 

I don't consider the Truss GSO expensive. Especially compared to these:

 

http://www.telescope...htn-300mm-f-3.8

http://www.skyvision...s-mt-structure/

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Posted 02 August 2017 - 05:45 PM

I have had the scope for a week. Purchased from Bintel and shipped down to Dunedin NZ.

Very well made especially for a GSO and good value for the $$.

I replaced the GSO focuser with my 2.5" Moonlite.

The back focus is about 180mm above the focusing plate.

The primary is a conical.

Do you have any more feedback about this scope? Have you been able to image with it?

 

Thanks for your help!



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Posted 02 August 2017 - 09:14 PM

I'm interested in any imaging with this scope - I haven't seen any...



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Posted 03 August 2017 - 09:19 PM

The scope is working very well so far. Holds collimation and focus well at this early stage of usage.

 

It's not light weight but seems to be nice and ridged.  Good for astrophotography.

 

I'm using a Moonlite 2.5" focuser. 


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Posted 04 August 2017 - 03:43 PM

Thanks for the info. Do you know if this focuser can be ordered together with the OTA?



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Posted 04 August 2017 - 07:00 PM

The OTA comes with the GSO focuser. You would have to order the Moonlite focuser separately with the appropriate adapter.  The Altair adapter is made for the scope. I ordered mine from the US https://focuser.com/products.php

 

I know that Altair Astro sells the 10" with that option https://www.altairas...Astrograph.html

 

Cheers Dave



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Posted 08 September 2017 - 03:13 PM

Any news on the use of this telescope for astrophoto?



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Posted 09 September 2017 - 11:15 PM

Any news on the use of this telescope for astrophoto?

Here is an LRGB of the Jewel Box. I'm pretty happy so far. I have strengthened the top cage with carbon tubes as I believe the top section is a little under done for astrophotography. This of course is dependent on the weight of the focuser and camera etc. The main truss is fine.

 

Cheers Dave



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Posted 10 September 2017 - 09:18 AM

 

Any news on the use of this telescope for astrophoto?

Here is an LRGB of the Jewel Box. I'm pretty happy so far. I have strengthened the top cage with carbon tubes as I believe the top section is a little under done for astrophotography. This of course is dependent on the weight of the focuser and camera etc. The main truss is fine.

 

Cheers Dave

 

I don't see a link or an image.  I'm interested in it too.

 

J.



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Posted 11 September 2017 - 01:59 AM

Here we go. I think the file must have been in excess of 500k

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Posted 11 September 2017 - 06:08 AM

How does the Titan handle the weight and size of this scope? This scope interests me, I have an MI-250, I think the two mounts are similar in capacity. 



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Posted 11 September 2017 - 05:10 PM

Hi Dave

 

also interested about handling size/weight as I am going to build an obs over the southern summer here .. as part of that I will either ... hypertune my CGEM... buy a new mount ......pier mount either. Might also keep the CGEM and the SW Quattro 8 I have on it now and use 2 x piers

 

For the obs I will install a bigger OTA ... either a Edge C11, a 10-12" truss RC or a 10-12 truss newt ... still undecided

 

I shall use my modded D5300 for now but I will change to ASI1600MM / filter at sometime in the future

 

Be interested how well this 12" newt handles it self  
:)

 

I think your in Dunners .. (CHC here )

​Cheers

 

Simon



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Posted 12 September 2017 - 12:55 AM

How does the Titan handle the weight and size of this scope? This scope interests me, I have an MI-250, I think the two mounts are similar in capacity. 

The Titan is a beast and handles the scope + imaging train without any problem. I am using 3 x 21 lb counter weights. 



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Posted 12 September 2017 - 02:05 AM

Hi Dave

 

also interested about handling size/weight as I am going to build an obs over the southern summer here .. as part of that I will either ... hypertune my CGEM... buy a new mount ......pier mount either. Might also keep the CGEM and the SW Quattro 8 I have on it now and use 2 x piers

 

For the obs I will install a bigger OTA ... either a Edge C11, a 10-12" truss RC or a 10-12 truss newt ... still undecided

 

I shall use my modded D5300 for now but I will change to ASI1600MM / filter at sometime in the future

 

Be interested how well this 12" newt handles it self  
smile.gif

 

I think your in Dunners .. (CHC here )

​Cheers

 

Simon

Hi Simon, Yes, I'm down in Dunners.

 

The 12" is big and heavy especially when you add a decent focuser and image train.

 

Just be aware that if you move to an f4 system that it requires some effort to get the best results. eg image tilt etc. This can be rather time consuming. It is certainly not plug and play.

 

Cheers Dave



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Posted 12 September 2017 - 04:58 AM

Hi Dave 

 

Yeah I guessed :)   never going to be an easy ride!

 

worse or same/better than the tube newts?

 

I think that thing weighs about 23kg??

 

I'll shout if I am down in dunners .. I get down every few weeks :)

 

Cheers

 

Simon 



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Posted 12 September 2017 - 08:10 PM

Hi Dave 

 

Yeah I guessed smile.gif   never going to be an easy ride!

 

worse or same/better than the tube newts?

 

I think that thing weighs about 23kg??

 

I'll shout if I am down in dunners .. I get down every few weeks smile.gif

 

Cheers

 

Simon 

Simon,

 

The same as a tube. The issues tend to be around tilt within the imaging train @ f4.

 

The scope holds colimation reasonably well when the top cage is beefed up. I had issues here with the cheaper constructed GSO newts.

 

Yes, call in when you are down next.

 

Cheers Dave



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Posted 12 September 2017 - 10:27 PM

So are you saying the truss version is no better on stability/rigidity than the tube version of the scope?



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Posted 13 September 2017 - 12:34 AM

So are you saying the truss version is no better on stability/rigidity than the tube version of the scope?

The rigidity of the main truss is very good and the primary mirror support is very good compared to the tube version.

 

The stability issue I had was with the top section which I have now rectified with the addition of six carbon tubes. see images 

 

Overall the telescope is good value in my opinion.

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 01:10 AM

thats nice David - did you buy the tube local?

 

I'm very tempted to order one ... where did you get the shroud?

 

do you find much of a issue with dewing on the secondary?




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