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#1 lulz

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Posted 14 September 2017 - 04:32 AM

Hi guys,

 

Been looking at the light pollution maps on Darksitefinder.com and lightpollutionmap.info. I see that that Lightpollutionmap.info uses two types of overlays, the VIIRS (which shows radiance, not entirely sure what that means or tells me) and the ATLAS 2015, which shows Zenith Brightness and gives values in SQM, Brigthness and Bortle scale. I've noticed that the ATLAS map overlay resembles the Darksitefinder map. 

 

Which of these maps do you guys believe offer the most "precise" light pollution information for a given area?

 

How are these maps different (thinking about how they are measured/created and which will fit what you see in reality the best)?

 

Do any of these maps take terrain into account (elevation etc?)

 

Is there a simple way for me to measure the light pollution from my observing location?



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Posted 14 September 2017 - 07:05 AM

I have experience with my own driveway, two "dark sites" within 45 minutes drive and a place in Italy.  The Darksitefinder.com matches my own observing experience pretty well.  The lightpollutionmap.info doesn't match at all.



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Posted 14 September 2017 - 07:51 AM

Here is Spokane, WA, I find that the Light Pollution Map reflects conditions a bit better than the DarkSiteFinder.com map.  The DarkSiteFinder map is somewhat grainy and "pixelated", while the LightPollutionMap.info is more refined. 

 

With the extended use of LED outdoor lighting nowadays, I'm wondering whether the general intensity of the "Light Domes" around cities has increased substantially during the past few years.  From my vantage point, it has.  Have these websites kept up with that? 



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Posted 14 September 2017 - 08:11 AM

Here is Spokane, WA, I find that the Light Pollution Map reflects conditions a bit better than the DarkSiteFinder.com map.  The DarkSiteFinder map is somewhat grainy and "pixelated", while the LightPollutionMap.info is more refined. 

 

With the extended use of LED outdoor lighting nowadays, I'm wondering whether the general intensity of the "Light Domes" around cities has increased substantially during the past few years.  From my vantage point, it has.  Have these websites kept up with that? 

 

VIIRS map overlay seems to show an increase in radiance from 2014 to 2017.

 

 

I have experience with my own driveway, two "dark sites" within 45 minutes drive and a place in Italy.  The Darksitefinder.com matches my own observing experience pretty well.  The lightpollutionmap.info doesn't match at all.

 

I agree, from my house the sky looks more like a Bortle Class 4 sky than what ATLAS 2015 claims is a Bortle Class 5 sky. But I have a large hill between my house and the city center which blocks alot of the light coming from there. Hence why I was wondering if these maps factor terrain in their values (that is if terrain actually has any effect on light pollution).

 

Edit: darksitefinder claims that their map data is from 2006........


Edited by lulz, 14 September 2017 - 08:14 AM.


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Posted 14 September 2017 - 09:15 AM

lulz,

 

   This subject comes up from time to time. At the end of last year I was writing a long tutorial describing the differences between dark sky mapping Websites and how to use both styles of maps to best advantage. My tutorial illustrated a method for using Google Earth to seek out the best sites near any given vicinity. (It turned out that Cloudy Nights' TOS prevented me from presenting the tutorial here so I started writing an more detailed and complete Web page for my Website. However, Google Earth then underwent major changes and my methods needed a major revamping to be compatible with the newer versions.)

 

   In any case, here is a long excerpt from my unpublished tutorial that you may find useful in understanding the differences between the maps presented at the two Websites you note in your first post.

 

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Three Aspects Of Light Pollution

 

   Before we begin, there are a couple of things to understand concerning the nature and types of light pollution as it relates to astronomy. There are three key aspects to light pollution which we should consider. First of all, we would like to observe from a site which has no straight-line visibility to a bright local light source. Glare from such sources is not conducive to either visual or photographic astronomy. Street lights or lighting from our neighbors' homes are examples of the types of direct sources we should always try to avoid.

 

   Secondly, we would like to have the skies at the zenith as dark as possible. Overhead sky brightness is generally expressed with a measurement of brightness per square area of sky. The usual units are MPSAS or magnitude per square arc-second. A perfectly dark sky as seen from the Earth's surface has an accepted value of 22 MPSAS. (It will not get generally darker than this due to background air glow originating from natural phenomena). Viewing from the center of a large city will result in sky brightness readings at the zenith of approximately 17.8 MPSAS or worse. This range of brightness corresponds to a logarithmic scale so comparisons are often done using what is known as the Bortle scale. The Bortle scale divides the common range of sky brightness into 9 dark sky classes or zones. When using the Bortle scale, an inner city observing site would be rated as a class 9 site while the darkest places on earth would be rated a class 1 site. The Bortle scale is color-coded from black being the darkest possible site to white being assigned to class 9 skies at the center of larger cities. There is a good description of each expanded Bortle zone's characteristics on the cleardarksky.com website and also on David Lorenz's Expanded Bortle Scale light pollution webpage. Many amateur astronomers now routinely use the Bortle scale and its color coding to describe their observing conditions -- as in "My club's observing site is in a Bortle 4 zone" or "we typically observe from a blue zone."

 

   Finally, the last aspect of an ideal observing site is the lack of any significant light domes visible around the horizon. Light domes appear because of the light emanating from distant sources such as a city many miles away. The combined light from those sources tends to illuminate particulates in the air over and around the lighting source. We see the combined light from these distant sources as a brightening of the sky at the horizon. The brightening takes the shape of a dome of light centered over the distant source. In the absence of a perfect observing site, amateur astronomers seek out potential observing areas from which the light domes do not reach more than a few degrees into the sky.

 

Mapping The Problem Of Light Pollution

 

   Light pollution conditions around the world have been mapped in a way that makes it easy for amateur astronomers to search out dark sky observing sites. However, there are two types of light pollution maps available on the Internet which some amateur astronomers may find confusing as they do not look the same. While the two types of maps show differing information, they are both extremely useful in our search for the darkest skies nearby once we understand what is being displayed.

 

   The first type of mapping is derived directly from overhead views of the Earth's surface at night taken by orbiting satellites. Thousands of images from the satellites have been combined to give us an image which depicts a cloudless Earth as seen from space at night. This composite image is commonly called the Black Marble. The intensity of light being emitted upward into the sky can be directly measured from analysis of the Black Marble image. The resulting radiance of emitted light (measured in nanoW/cm2sr) from the ground can be color coded and provided as an overlay on a map of the Earth. As we will see, such a map can be very useful in our search for dark skies. It must be noted, however, that such a map provides information about an area on the ground as it would appear from space. That information will prove useful as we will see later but does not tell us anything directly about how bright the overhead sky will appear as seen by an observer on the ground at the mapped location.

 

   The second type of light pollution mapping is indirectly derived from the Black Marble images. In this case, the effect of light pollution on the sky is mapped. The rather involved technical analysis process is described in detail in a technical paper that accompanied the release of the most recent maps. The resulting maps are called the New World Atlas of Light Pollution. The article describing the generation of this data may be found online in the archives of Science Advances 10 June 2016. In essence, the methodology takes each point of the 2012 Black Marble Image and models its effect on the surrounding sky taking into account atmospheric scatter at various angles as well as other factors. The process then continues by summing the total effect on the sky of all such nearby points in the Black Marble image. The resulting map shows the overall brightness of the sky at the zenith from any point in the world as seen by an observer at ground level looking up. The map data is presented in color codes which directly correspond to the Bortle scale with measurements of MPSAS in the sky.

 

   Note now that even though both forms of maps are derived from the same source satellite imaging, they each depict a different aspect of the light pollution problem. One map type shows the light pollution emanating upwards towards an observer in space. It shows where the light pollution is coming from. The second map type shows the effect of that light on the sky as seen by an observer on the ground looking upwards. These will both be very useful in our search for dark skies though they represent two completely different things.

 

   An analogy may help make the difference clear. Imagine a very large nighttime dinner party being held under a large canopy. Each of 100 tables has a candle to provide a little light for the dining guests. Each candle illuminates the table but also throws light upwards onto the canopy above. Now let's imagine a scenario in which we move the candles around. Let's move all of the candles onto just two tables near the center of the dining area under the canopy. If we now stand on a ladder and look down at those two tables, we see them very brightly lit. However most of the tables away from the center show no light at all. We could say that other than the center tables, the other tables are completely dark. (They are emitting no light).

 

   Now let's step down from the ladder and look upwards at the canopy above us. The area of canopy directly over the two center tables with all the candles will appear quite well illuminated. While the areas of canopy away from the center tables will be darker, they will still be illuminated somewhat by the oblique lighting from the center tables. Even when we view the canopy from what we previously considered dark table areas, we see considerable light on the canopy above.

 

   This is similar to the situation we have with the two forms of light pollution mapping. When looking downward from above, we can clearly see where the polluting light is coming from. Looking up from ground level, we can see the effect of lights and can see that even areas well away from the lighted tables are still illuminated and not completely dark.

 

   As we will see, using the two complimentary types of light pollution maps together will give us a more realistic view of conditions at any given site. Several websites offer interactive light pollution maps of one or the other type discussed above. For the first form of light pollution map showing the sources of light pollution as seen from space, see the website lightpollutionmap.info. (Note that the color coding of this site represents the light intensity coming from the ground. It does not match the Bortle light pollution color codes which indicate sky brightness at the zenith.) The website blue-marble.de directly presents an interactive image of the Black Marble data.

 

   An example of a website which presents the second form of light pollution map is darksitefinder.com. On this website, the integrated sky brightness (as seen by a ground based observer) is shown color-coded to match the Bortle light pollution scale. The light pollution maps displayed on the website cleardarksky.com also map integrated sky brightness using the Bortle color coded light pollution scale.

 

   Unfortunately, I am not aware of any website that attempts to show both forms of light pollution mapping in a way that would help amateur astronomers search for good dark sky observing sites. This need is what led me to try to find a way to better predict conditions at a prospective dark sky site. 

 

The Beginnings Of A Methodology

 

   Web sites like darksitefinder.com and lightpollutionmap.info can show you (within the limits as discussed above) what to expect at a site but do not show you exactly where suitable sites may exist for public use. By using both to get a full picture of the light pollution conditions, these websites can work very well for evaluating a site you already know to exist. An arguably better solution for the amateur who needs to both find a specific site and then learn what to expect before arriving exists in the guise of the program Google Earth Desktop. Google Earth Desktop is the perfect tool for finding potential observing sites and evaluating them before visiting in person. I learned to use Google Earth Desktop in this manner several years ago when I started my own search for a dark sky site to purchase for use in both astronomy and as a weekend nature retreat.

 

   Over a period of about a year and a half, I evaluated over a hundred potential plots of land and developed a methodology that allowed me to skip visiting many sites suggested by the realtors I worked with. Once a site met my general criteria and checked out favorably using Google Earth Desktop, I would visit the site at night and take panoramic images of the sky conditions at the site. This allowed me to finally find a site which met nearly all my requirements. The on-site panoramic photos of the night sky at each site served to validate and improve my pre-evaluation methodology.

 

   In this tutorial, I will relate my methodology for using Google Earth Desktop and show the correlation between my Google Earth predictions and actual results obtained on site. At the end of this article, I will also briefly go over my criteria for choosing a personal dark sky site. My purchase criteria may not match your own but many of my dark site needs are general enough that they can apply both to a purchase or can simply be used as additional criteria for finding the better observing sites. The same methods I developed for my dark sky land evaluations can be applied to searching for and evaluating any potential observing locations.

 

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   Hopefully, this will help to clarify the differences. Some day when I get more time, I will rework the full now-outdated article describing how to predict both zenith darkness of an arbitrary prospective observing site as well as the location and extent of light domes on the horizon using the newest version of Google Earth.

 

 

John



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Posted 14 September 2017 - 03:34 PM

wow, thank you for a great read John!



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Posted 14 September 2017 - 05:02 PM

I think the most accurate map is this one. I believe it's an updated version of the map used by Darksite Finder. Darksite Finder's data is from 2006, whereas this new one is based on data from 2016.



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Posted 14 September 2017 - 05:50 PM

treadmarks,

 

   You are correct. The New World Atlas of Light Pollution is the latest integrated light pollution data map available. The final study was published in the journal Science Advances in 2016. However, it uses VIIRS satellite data gathered in 2013 - 2014 as described in the technical publication that accompanied the maps. Thus it represents a light pollution map as of 2014 at the latest.

 

   The latest raw upward radiance data from VIIRS is shown on the lightpollutionmap.info maps. That site shows data as recent as this year. It is however upward radiance data rather than integrated sky brightness data that is more useful for predicting zenith brightness. 

 

   To add to what I wrote in my tutorial introduction above, zenith sky brightness (how dark is it?) maps are the first information to consider when looking for a dark site. In my mind, that makes DarksiteFinder the first stop unless you directly load the more recent New World Atlas of Light Pollution into Google Earth and use it directly. Raw radiance data maps as shown by lightpollutionmap.info can then be used to help predict the location and extent of light domes once a site seems dark enough to meet our initial selection criteria.

 

 

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Edited by jdupton, 14 September 2017 - 05:55 PM.


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Posted 14 September 2017 - 09:46 PM

All,

 

   I had not spent a lot of time at the lightpollutionmap.info Website since about April of this year. In reading the Help page on that site this evening, I see that one of the overlays you can select is called Atlas 2015 (World Atlas 2015 or WA2015). The information on the Help page says this overlay represents the same data as the New World Atlas of Light Pollution as described in the Science Advances journal paper published in 2016. The journal paper says this is based on 2013-2014 VIIRS data so I mistakenly thought the lightpollutionmap.info Website maps showing WA2015 were something different. It appears I was wrong as the Help Page directly references the journal paper and accompanying maps. I am unsure why the data is named WA2015 when it appears to actually be the same as the NWAoLP (2013-2014 data published in 2016). 

 

   The net of this is that the lightpollutionmap.info contains all the latest data of each type we might want to see. The WA2015 data map shows the latest integrated sky brightness at the zenith while the VIIRS 2017 overlay shows the latest available raw upward radiance data. It's the best of both worlds on one Website.(!)

 

   The only difference I could see between the original New World Atlas of Light Pollution data and the WA 2015 overlay is the overlay appears to be smoothed data. In general this probably is of little to no consequence. The authors of the NWAoLP state that the integration itself can be affected by many factors. The overall trends shown in the maps would be reasonably representative of sky darkness at any given site but transitions between zones are probably much fuzzier.

 

   Now if we could just get a single Website that combined these two overlays with local terrain data as can be done in Google Earth, we would have a really killer tool for evaluating potential dark sky sites.

 

 

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Posted 15 September 2017 - 08:38 AM

Oh, cool, that's a new feature. I hadn't checked lightpollutionmap.info in a while but I see it now. Another cool feature, if you click on an point on the map it will give the data it has for the location. That site rocks now waytogo.gif


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Posted 16 September 2017 - 03:54 PM

had not seen the New World Atlas site.    Says I am in a pink zone bordering on Magenta.   Seems about right.



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Posted 19 September 2017 - 08:49 PM

treadmarks,

 

   You are correct. The New World Atlas of Light Pollution is the latest integrated light pollution data map available. The final study was published in the journal Science Advances in 2016. However, it uses VIIRS satellite data gathered in 2013 - 2014 as described in the technical publication that accompanied the maps. Thus it represents a light pollution map as of 2014 at the latest.........

 

  ......

 

John

And yet, still one must be careful about quick changes from what is predicted with these maps! The attached image shows the area around Binghamton, NY (Broome County NY) and to the South Susquehanna County PA as depicted in "The New World Atlas of LP". I live in this general area much of each year.

 

Note the bright red area that is the small city of Binghamton NY, and two other towns stretched along the Susquehanna River valley, and the twin bright red spots in Pennsylvania to the Southwest of the city. Look on Google Earth, or go there, and you will find - woods! Mostly endless forest covered small mountains. So, why the light shown on the map? Gas Frack'ing - lit drill pads, equipment storage areas, and flaring gas wells! As of right now (2016 and 2017) it is all GONE - temporarily I'd think! A current 2017 version of this "map" would show nothing - red spots gone. In 2014 SQM readings were something like 18.0 in those areas. Today - around 21.0. A friend owns a farm where this map shows bright red spots - and right now it is easy to see the Milky Way stretching across a fairly dark sky. Most observers would be quite happy owning my friend's farm. Two years ago that same sky was bathed in flickering reddish brown light from towering gas flames going some 10 stories into the sky. 

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Posted 19 September 2017 - 09:21 PM

George,

 

   Very true. The maps are subject to local changes that may not be accounted for on a regular basis.

 

   The authors allude to this possibility in the paper that accompanied the release of the maps. See the article at: Science Advances 10 June 2016 and scroll down to the paragraph just above the section titled "Mapping technique". They explain that they used data for the last six months of 2014 for the bulk of the data to make the map. They note that (known) temporary light sources such as fires were removed and replaced with 2013 image data. In the case you cite, the flares from the gas wells were present in 2013 as well leading to the incorrect "permanence" as seen in the map. The exact nature of the light in this case was probably unknown to the authors. In the same way, new flaring could show up tomorrow in other areas that show dark in the latest maps. In both cases, I guess it is up to any amateurs in the area having "local knowledge" of conditions.

 

   The solution would be to recompute the maps each year or two to better reflect later data. I can only guess that the computation is complex enough that keeping the map up to date more regularly is cost prohibitive for those doing it. The task is probably made even more difficult by having to come up with reliable algorithms to detect temporary or short term sources as opposed to real changes due to population or industrial growth.

 

   I wonder is there is an opportunity here for a distributed cooperative computational effort by amateur astronomers to supply the computational power to keep such light pollution maps up to date on a semiannual (or quicker) basis? (Something along the lines of SETI@Home, LHC@home, or Folding@home come to mind.)

 

 

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Posted 16 October 2017 - 07:38 AM

I can answer why the layer is named World Atlas 2015 (WA2015). Maybe the answer will not satisfy you, but it's still the answer nonetheless! When you request the raw dataset from the authors, you get a filename named "World_Atlas_2015.tif" grin.gif

 

One more question popuped up about the impact of terrain/elevation. It's my understanding that new world atlas was calculated as if you are at sea level elevation and the light propagation model does not include the earth elevation model.

 

If anyone has any more questions about lightpollutionmap.info I'll be happy to answer.



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Posted 16 October 2017 - 11:00 AM


If anyone has any more questions about lightpollutionmap.info I'll be happy to answer.

I've got one: how reliable are the SQM numbers it gives for a point on the map? Like, what would be the margin of error? For example if I'm trying to choose between a site that's 20.4 and 20.8, would there be an appreciable difference? Would it be better to use the VIIRS data as a "tie-breaker"? And for that matter, how impactful are highly local light sources on skyglow?



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Posted 16 October 2017 - 11:27 AM

The "ATLAS" overlay on the lightpollution site is similar to the darksitefinder map.  Those are much more indicative of sky conditions than VIIRS, which as others have noted, is not indicative of overall conditions because its only telling you point-source information. 



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Posted 16 October 2017 - 03:23 PM

SQM measurements at a location can vary as much as half a magnitude from my experience, so it's hard to say if one location is better then the other if you have only a couple of measurements. World Atlas is just a model and it's prediction on average is I would say within half a magnitude. A site elevation also makes a huge difference.

 

A VIIRS map is good for letting you know what light sources are contributing to the sky glow, so you can put some pressure on the offending municipality to modify (time reduction, full cut off, decrease wattage, etc...) their street lamps or to adopt some regulation regarding illumination by advertisers/businesses.



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Posted 16 October 2017 - 03:43 PM

Well, even actual SQM readings can vary from night to night, so it would be unfair to expect the model to do better. My feeling is that VIIRS data can be useful as a supplement to choose dark sites, based on this Sky & Telescope article:
 

Some skyglow is surprisingly local. You can often see more stars 15 miles from a big city than a quarter mile from even one bad rural shopping center.

I've made extensive sky-brightness measurements of the zenith at two sites in Middletown, Connecticut: at the Van Vleck Observatory on the Wesleyan University campus, and at my home two miles away in wooded, semirural suburbia. The campus had, until recently, a night sky more than 20 times brighter than the natural sky background. The sky over my house is only four to five times brighter than the natural level. The change in two miles was remarkable — from a nearly invisible Milky Way to views of the Sagittarius and Scutum starclouds on good nights.

In 1994 the university agreed to replace most of its walkway lights within a block of the observatory with properly shielded fixtures. The sky brightness at the zenith dropped by almost half — a dramatic improvement of 0.6 or 0.7 magnitude.

My experience has found some evidence to agree with this but I'm not entirely certain. In any case, I've got clear skies this week so I'll have my answers soon.




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