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#201 Stellar1

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Posted 17 January 2019 - 10:32 AM

Being a big fan of Mak's myself i can only drool and dream of such a scope unless i hit the lottery in which case i'll deliver one to all those on this thread. Having said that, yes it does look like a darn masterpiece of telescope design and engineering. I am sure the views on a good night would be enough to soil your undies but, what is the deal with these wait times?? people on a list for a decade or more? if there is demand and people with deep enough pockets then what is the deal?? is one guy making these by hand in his basement?. I wish i had one, i would live in a tiny house and sell my home now for that (wife wouldn't dig that).



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Posted 17 January 2019 - 08:21 PM

Being a big fan of Mak's myself i can only drool and dream of such a scope unless i hit the lottery in which case i'll deliver one to all those on this thread. Having said that, yes it does look like a darn masterpiece of telescope design and engineering. I am sure the views on a good night would be enough to soil your undies but, what is the deal with these wait times?? people on a list for a decade or more? if there is demand and people with deep enough pockets then what is the deal?? is one guy making these by hand in his basement?. I wish i had one, i would live in a tiny house and sell my home now for that (wife wouldn't dig that).

I would highly recommend doing a search on all AP Mak-Cass threads and do a little reading.  You'll find the exactness that Roland demands meant a very limited production of the first version with no more to be produced. The decade long notification list is old indeed, as there were no plans to make more. It seemed unlikely that Roland would make more, but they kept the old list anyway. Just like for Stowaway.    My best guess is that the availability of proper glass, and new manufacturing techniques have yielded another production run of 25 or so units.  Even if you won the lottery, unless you are on the list for all 25, you would have to hire someone to build a new lot to service everyone that wants one.    Also, these are not for everyone.  F/14.5?  Not ideal for deep exposure astrophotography, and for visual you will need an observing location with excellent seeing to benefit from the native high magnifications.   Deposits are in.  Folks are simply waiting now for the first call on the finished units.  So go on drooling, and kiss your wife. ;-)


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Posted 17 January 2019 - 08:43 PM

Like I said before I hope AP at least states on their web site when the production run has all been filled.

Just so those of us that are on the list can move on.  Especially those who signed up in 2017.  Not even sure why they even started a list in April 2017 when it is unlikely they will even get past those on the list  prior to 2000. 



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Posted 18 January 2019 - 02:05 AM

Like I said before I hope AP at least states on their web site when the production run has all been filled.

Just so those of us that are on the list can move on.  Especially those who signed up in 2017.  Not even sure why they even started a list in April 2017 when it is unlikely they will even get past those on the list  prior to 2000. 

You could speculate that some folks from 1999 are no longer interested, or dead,  so the reason to add a few names to the list.  I certainly would not hold my breath waiting for any notification.  Certain to be a flipper or two on Astromart. There always is.  Probably a $20K premium. Capitalism in action.  ;-)



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Posted 19 January 2019 - 03:43 PM

Like I said before I hope AP at least states on their web site when the production run has all been filled.

Just so those of us that are on the list can move on.  Especially those who signed up in 2017.  Not even sure why they even started a list in April 2017 when it is unlikely they will even get past those on the list  prior to 2000. 

 

I don't think Astro-Physics started (or re-started) the Mak-Cass notification list in 2017 -- or am I wrong about that?  If I remember correctly, the Mak-Cass list has been open continuously since the 1990's.  But I don't know why Astro-Physics did not close that list many years ago.  It has been obvious for some time that anyone (like me) who signed up after 2000 doesn't have a snowball's chance of ever being notified.  I feel like a fool thinking that I ever had a chance when I don't.  I would prefer that Astro-Physics find a way to let those who have no chance understand that.


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#206 Howard Gao

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Posted 19 January 2019 - 07:42 PM

Consider all info in this thread as speculation unless Roland confirmed lol.gif . I also don’t know why the Mak list is still open. The only possible reason I can think of is someday the production can be more automatic so more scopes can be offered to meet the market requirement.



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Posted 22 January 2019 - 04:03 PM

Consider all info in this thread as speculation unless Roland confirmed lol.gif . I also don’t know why the Mak list is still open. The only possible reason I can think of is someday the production can be more automatic so more scopes can be offered to meet the market requirement.

 

I have asked a contact at AP about this. What a concept eh?  Let's see if I get an answer.  

 

Cheers

 

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#208 Gleason

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Posted 22 January 2019 - 05:46 PM

Ok, got my answer from AP about the Mak list, but since it is not in the spirit of Cloudy Nights to contact the manufacturer, I will continue in the spirit of arduous speculation made so famous in this forum and not share that answer.   grin.gif

 

Cheers, 

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Posted 22 January 2019 - 05:54 PM

Exactly. That’s why people hang in here instead of yahoo group. lol.gif


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Posted 23 January 2019 - 09:29 AM

Ok, got my answer from AP about the Mak list, but since it is not in the spirit of Cloudy Nights to contact the manufacturer, I will continue in the spirit of arduous speculation made so famous in this forum and not share that answer.   grin.gif

 

Cheers, 

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Posted 23 January 2019 - 01:06 PM

You're saying those are Roland's plans?

Nope, I have plans of my own. Some are from S&T and some from The Maksutov Circulars.

 

I think his Maksutovs are more specialized telescopes that don't really get the full benefit that a Maksutov can have.

 

A regular SC at ratios around f/15 to f/20 will still have excellent correction and be lighter and cheaper to make. Rumak Maksutovs at f/10 offer wider fields of view AND excellent correction of coma



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Posted 24 January 2019 - 01:33 AM

Well, for those that have missed out, the delivery has taken so long that some owners will be reaching the point where they cannot safely handle a scope this size and weight.


20 years wow... Many people on that list may be well beyond that point...

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Posted 02 March 2019 - 11:40 AM

Quiet.  Listen very carefully.  You can hear Geppetto working away on these in his shop. 



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Posted 04 March 2019 - 12:42 PM

>>luxo II, on 26 Nov 2018 - 6:38 PM, said:

Well, for those that have missed out, the delivery has taken so long that some owners will be reaching the point where they cannot safely handle a scope this size and weight.<<

 

20 years wow... Many people on that list may be well beyond that point...

As scopes go it is fairly light and compact. The original one is only 32 lbs, 31" long, easy to mount even for a old guy with horrible back problems. smile.gif  IIRC the new one is even lighter.


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Posted 06 March 2019 - 11:10 PM

As scopes go it is fairly light and compact. The original one is only 32 lbs, 31" long, easy to mount even for a old guy with horrible back problems. smile.gif  IIRC the new one is even lighter.

I meant: "beyond" as in "no longer alive" :(


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Posted 07 March 2019 - 07:26 AM

Geppetto had better clone himself, several times and subcontract most of the production to China. They really need to up the production rate - a low production rate doesn't bode well in terms of the business being sustainable, long-term.

 

I figure they've got a couple of years, max, before a Chinese competitor steps in and makes big Maksutov for a fifth the price of these, and is competitive against say EdgeHD C11 and Meade 12" ACF.


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Posted 07 March 2019 - 10:32 AM

Geppetto had better clone himself, several times and subcontract most of the production to China. They really need to up the production rate - a low production rate doesn't bode well in terms of the business being sustainable, long-term.

I don't think that they have any intention of the telescope side of the business sustaining beyond Roland's personal involvement.  My name is on the waiting list for a 130, and Marj told me that it's not likely that it will ever reach the top.

 

They consider themselves a mount company and have said publicly that they do have plans for that business to sustain for the long term.



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Posted 07 March 2019 - 03:25 PM

Geppetto had better clone himself, several times and subcontract most of the production to China. They really need to up the production rate - a low production rate doesn't bode well in terms of the business being sustainable, long-term.

 

I figure they've got a couple of years, max, before a Chinese competitor steps in and makes big Maksutov for a fifth the price of these, and is competitive against say EdgeHD C11 and Meade 12" ACF.

And there will still be a waiting list for AP telescopes long after AP has retired. 


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Posted 07 March 2019 - 03:36 PM

I meant: "beyond" as in "no longer alive" frown.gif

Throwing a name on a list costs nothing.  It's doubtful that anyone on the original Mak list was checking their daily mail for 20 years.  Perhaps "interest list" is a better description than notification list.  Hey if you build one again, I'd be interested, but no big deal if you don't.   Just consider these instruments limited production, luxury items. 


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#220 Arminovski

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Posted 08 March 2019 - 08:18 AM

Throwing a name on a list costs nothing. It's doubtful that anyone on the original Mak list was checking their daily mail for 20 years. Perhaps "interest list" is a better description than notification list. Hey if you build one again, I'd be interested, but no big deal if you don't. Just consider these instruments limited production, luxury items.


Perhaps. I can't wait that long. For me stuff needs to be in stock because I don't know if my eyes will be good enough to enjoy the views in xyz years.

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#221 Gleason

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Posted 09 March 2019 - 04:25 PM

Perhaps. I can't wait that long. For me stuff needs to be in stock because I don't know if my eyes will be good enough to enjoy the views in xyz years.

I would not wait around 20 years for anything. That doesn't mean you stop observing.   A C11 HD will be more than adequate for observing and photography. And plenty of good, used AP gear appears on Amart and CNC weekly to fill the gap. I've seen at least 4, 155 EDF's on Amart in the last year.  



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Posted 09 March 2019 - 08:02 PM

So being on the list since Feb 2000 I might have a chance?  smile.gif  Just imagine.... the 10" Mak-Cass with the new Stowaway riding piggyback.  grin.gif 


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Posted 10 March 2019 - 07:13 PM

So being on the list since Feb 2000 I might have a chance?  smile.gif  Just imagine.... the 10" Mak-Cass with the new Stowaway riding piggyback.  grin.gif

A good possibility Chris. Don't give up hope a little birdie tells me.  Sadly, my name fell off the Stowaway list, otherwise that would be my dream combination. 


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Posted 10 March 2019 - 08:17 PM

A good possibility Chris. Don't give up hope a little birdie tells me.  Sadly, my name fell off the Stowaway list, otherwise that would be my dream combination. 

Absolutely Chris!

 

I was on the list just one year earlier than you and got the call. Shoot, you might have even gotten mine, but for the fact that several here convinced me to not pass it up! shrug.gif 


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Posted 11 March 2019 - 12:57 AM

I would not wait around 20 years for anything. That doesn't mean you stop observing.


Then we agree. I said nothing about stopping observing.


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