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#1 jcruse64

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Posted 01 October 2017 - 08:17 PM

Goodwill buy, thanks to BB's notice of the item auction, Terra's endorsement of the scope, and Frank's good advice on using GW's auction site. Something about the Sears' scopes that I just find interesting.

 

This one is not quite complete, in that it had no manual, no tray, and no EP's (could be a few other things missing, but I wouldn't know, lol.

The clamshell is completely broken, and, so, useless, so am on the lookout to replace either just it, or the entire mount, if a suitable replacement comes up. It had all the styrofoam inserts, and I think all the connecting hardware is there. The box is on the rustic side, but all there and holding together.

The objective seems quite dirty, though, and will require cleaning up, I should think. The moon and sun filters ARE there, however. The moon filter was screwed on the finder.

The finder, with rings, is intact. Did not check to see if it had cross hairs or not.

 

Here is the bundled kit, laying atop the hood of my 1973 Dodge W200 crew cab pickup. It is running, but also in the middle of an intermittent overhaul. We have almost all the front cap fixed up and painted the original white. Needs floors next, then some engine and tranny work. Anyone have a lead on a bed, lol???

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Posted 01 October 2017 - 08:19 PM

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Posted 01 October 2017 - 08:20 PM

Congrats on your buy!  And, on your truck -- my Dad had a '76 Dodge pickup (no crew cab, he was too thrifty for that).


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Posted 01 October 2017 - 08:22 PM

Told ya she needs a new bed. Found the truck on CL, in Prescott, AZ. PO had it for 30+ years, first in South Dakota, then in Wyoming, then AZ. He was a machinist by trade, and built his own Holmes 440 wrecker boom setup. It still works, and was a bear to pull from the bed. He used it to do some limited towing for breakdowns, but also used it in Wyoming as the designated tow truck at the weekend demo derbies. As you can imagine, the bed is beat up, even worse than the scope mount...

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Posted 01 October 2017 - 08:24 PM

Any idea what year the scope is????

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Posted 01 October 2017 - 08:24 PM

Unwrapping further...

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Posted 01 October 2017 - 08:26 PM

Just a little dirty. Think it is just dirt/dust, or could it be fungal???

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Posted 01 October 2017 - 08:26 PM

Told ya she needs a new bed.

 

Naw!  You got a Real Truck.  Lots of the young guys I worked with had $40K - $60K "trucks" with more amenities than a Rolls Royce, immaculate glossy paint, and never hauled anything that couldn't fit on the front seat...


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Posted 01 October 2017 - 08:28 PM

Biggest issue; broken clamshell mount. Frank, I don't think it broke enroute. It was decently packaged, but you never know. Will be looking to replace.In searching the archives, I saw someone mount one o' these to a pier...interesting.

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Posted 01 October 2017 - 08:29 PM

Your serial number is in the first third of the Registry, so my SWAG would be 1971 / 1972.

 

Lens is mostly dusty.  I see what may be 2 small mold spots.  Very good condition for 45 years!

 

My Sears 6336 is the pedestal version of the standard (Royal) Astro Optical 76/1200.  The 6344 (SYW) GEM is almost 100% identical to the RAO.


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Posted 01 October 2017 - 08:30 PM

Last one for now.

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Posted 01 October 2017 - 08:34 PM

Congrats on your buy!  And, on your truck -- my Dad had a '76 Dodge pickup (no crew cab, he was too thrifty for that).

Full-time 4WD. I have a '76 in disassembly right now. I love those old pop-tops, and can't wait to have it back on the road.


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Posted 01 October 2017 - 08:39 PM

Told ya she needs a new bed.

 

Naw!  You got a Real Truck.  Lots of the young guys I worked with had $40K - $60K "trucks" with more amenities than a Rolls Royce, immaculate glossy paint, and never hauled anything that couldn't fit on the front seat...

I hear ya. Rust over the wheel wells, but beaten enough to make body work too costly. Already lucked into a replacement tailgate (72-73 were only years with DODGE stamped into tailgate). The new trucks are great, to be sure, but I love the simplicity of these older ones. Would love to get my hands on a 61-65 D100 short bed, and slap a hemi in it, lol.


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Posted 01 October 2017 - 08:41 PM

Your serial number is in the first third of the Registry, so my SWAG would be 1971 / 1972.

 

Lens is mostly dusty.  I see what may be 2 small mold spots.  Very good condition for 45 years!

 

My Sears 6336 is the pedestal version of the standard (Royal) Astro Optical 76/1200.  The 6344 (SYW) GEM is almost 100% identical to the RAO.

Cool, right there with the ol' Power Wagon then!



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Posted 01 October 2017 - 09:24 PM

jcruse,

 

Would you please measure the length of the ota, from the threads for the lens to the end of the tube.  I am just curious as to the length.

I have a Sears 6339a (76x1200), and I wish the tube was longer so the eyepiece draw tube doesn't have to  be extended so far.

 

My tube measures about 31" and I feel the tube could be about 39".

 

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Posted 01 October 2017 - 09:32 PM

Seems Royal & Towa favored the shorter scope tube & long manual draw tube + short rack & pinion section.  So long as that long tube doesn't sag, it does give you more flexibility for accessories, but it's too small for the Vixen 36mm 1.25" adapter.  You can swap it for a chrome drain pipe, and have a sturdy 1.25" holder.

 

My 1978 Tasco / Towa came with a photo accessories kit that had a 1.25" to 30mm thread-in adapter, just deep enough for the barrels on most diagonals & eyepieces back then.  I haven't seen another of these kits in the almost 40 years since.


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Posted 02 October 2017 - 06:30 AM

Seems Royal & Towa favored the shorter scope tube & long manual draw tube + short rack & pinion section.  So long as that long tube doesn't sag, it does give you more flexibility for accessories, but it's too small for the Vixen 36mm 1.25" adapter.  You can swap it for a chrome drain pipe, and have a sturdy 1.25" holder.

That's what makes the 6344 so nice! Long OTA tube and no multiple focuser drawtube, plus the visual back has the same threads as the 1.25" Vixen v.b. The 6344 is, IMO, one of the nicest models of the Sears refractors. And a very attractive color scheme as well!


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Posted 02 October 2017 - 06:50 AM

I've compared the lengths of my 6335, 6335, and 6344.  The 6344 is about 6" longer than the others.  It also makes a difference on the wood case.  My 6335 case is 36" long and has one centrally located carry handle.  The 6344 case is 46" long with a handle on each end.  It is more awkward to carry it with arms spread this wide 

 

I also prefer it's focuser without the extension tube, and use a Borg 1-1/4" screw on adapter (similar to Vixen).


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Posted 02 October 2017 - 07:30 AM

I've noticed that several mentioned making use of 1 1/4" screw-on adapter. Going to  1 1/4" EP's, what do people like to use in this 80mm scope? What size AND type EP? While I will definitely be looking to hoard pick up the colored set that would have come with the scope, I'm not against trying the 1 1/4" EP's  to enhance the scope's performance.



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Posted 02 October 2017 - 08:12 AM

I'm not against trying the 1 1/4" EP's  to enhance the scope's performance.

 

It's the variety of the 1.25" accessories that makes the larger format desirable (and optically, IF you remove the baffles in the draw-tubes).  I lucked out, and first got a set of 1980s Meade .965" Orthoscopics for my 6336 right here on CN Classifieds.  Then I bought a big set of Swiss-made spectros Kellners & Plossls from CN Member Xavier on his eBay store --> https://www.ebay.com...&rt=nc&LH_BIN=1.  3 of these have 35mm barrels with a 1.25" adapter, but the other 6 are .965" -- and are close to Zeiss for optical quality.  The Vixen / Circle (V) .965" eyepieces bundled with the C90 & C5 plus some Tasco scopes (9VR) are also very good, and show up regularly for sale.  The Antares .965" Plossls also have a good reputation.  Quality .965" accessories are harder to find, but you don't have to modify your vintage scope; and, honestly, the prisms in some .965" to 1.25" hybrid diagonals aren't very good -- tough to know until you buy & use one.


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Posted 02 October 2017 - 08:26 AM

 

Seems Royal & Towa favored the shorter scope tube & long manual draw tube + short rack & pinion section.  So long as that long tube doesn't sag, it does give you more flexibility for accessories, but it's too small for the Vixen 36mm 1.25" adapter.  You can swap it for a chrome drain pipe, and have a sturdy 1.25" holder.

That's what makes the 6344 so nice! Long OTA tube and no multiple focuser drawtube, plus the visual back has the same threads as the 1.25" Vixen v.b. The 6344 is, IMO, one of the nicest models of the Sears refractors. And a very attractive color scheme as well!

 

I've done the drain pipe swap.   It is very sturdy, and works just fine.  I just don't care for the look of it extended out so far.   I would rather have a longer tube.

So the 6344 does have a longer tube.  Hmmm, maybe I can find a bare tube some where,  then I'd need a different focuser.  I may just have to hunt around for a 6344. It probably would be easier.


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Posted 02 October 2017 - 08:01 PM

What grease is recommended, for both the focuser and the mount works?



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Posted 02 October 2017 - 08:12 PM

I disassembled, cleaned, and lubed the mount on mine five years ago and it has held up well. It is at my daughters now but I routinely visit it. Anyway, I did the cleaning with WD-40 and some lighter fluid to break down some of the stubborn gunk. I lubed it with white lithium gun grease. I don't observe under extremely cold conditions and it is still very smooth.


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Posted 02 October 2017 - 08:39 PM

I second what she said goodjob.gif I really like white lithium grease, this is what I have always used on both my telescope mounts and my microscope mechanicals. It really doesn't take much I find the secret is to make sure all the old junk is gone before you apply it (like my old man used to say "good enough to eat off of"). I know that others use different types and they are probably just as good if not better but I have a lifetime supply of lithium grease and doubt I will even use as much as I have. Good luck with the clean up, that to me is the fun part.

 

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Posted 05 October 2017 - 02:13 PM

Terra, is this the vixen visual back you have noted that you make use of in your 6344?

 

https://www.vixenopt...7-mm-p/3720.htm

 

Looking through the case, it appears that the visual back that came with this scope is missing, so I'm going to have to find something else to use.


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