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#101 Wayne Costigan

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Posted 14 January 2018 - 12:27 PM

 

 

 

anybody hear of the old Vega Binoculars

 

l believe later Swift merged with them and were Called Swift Vegas

 

l think just the Vega Binoculars by themselves were really quite excellent 

Never looked through one, but some have said they became Swift's bargain bin bins. Do you own one? If not, which one have you peered through? 

 

yes

 

l have a 10x50 Swift Vega

 

its not here at the moment

 

l will have to check for field sharpness and numbers later

 

l will get them tomorrow

 

have them in my other place storage

 

the views were quite pleasing when l looked through them

 

bright images

 

 

l thought they may have been something special...

 

hi

 

well my Swift 10x50 Vegas are actually 10x50 VEGA..RAINER...   765 model #

 

275 Ft/1000yds

coated  precision optics 

 

has the 7s ,,they are hex/daimond shaped

 

awesome views this mornining looking at the falling snow and trees outside..

 

could these be the 7x35 Tritions Big Brother???

 

awesome views

 

Field looks to be a Flat Field in the daytime

 

maybe 10 % to the edge...will have to test on Stars next clear nite

 

its hard to tell in daytime

 

with exit pupils different contracted

 

l think they are the 7x35 tritons Bigger Brother myself

 

wild guess anyway

 

I have a Swift Rainier, Model No. 765, 10x50 from 1966, per its serial # during this time frame, where the first two digits announce the year of manufacture after the No.7 (or 4,8,20 etc.), that denotes the manufacturer, just as the JB# does. No.7=JB-32 on this binocular. Why Swift didn't continue with this system is anyone's guess, but I'd say economics. With the early '70s economic downturn, nearly all consumer products took a hit in quality.  

 

Mine have 279ft. at 1000yds stamped on them. They show Bk-7s, extraordinarily good views through FULLY amber coated glass, have metal screw down eyecups, and the long striped fous cylinder. Came with original case, 4 caps, and are in extra fine condition - nearly mint!

 

When I first received them, they wouldn't focus to infinity. This was in my infancy as a collector, so I was terrified in opening them up. Taking off the oculars, I found the previous owner had inserted a shim of aluminum to prevent full travel. Guess he preferred them that way for his own optical reasons and preferences. They worked just fine, thereafter. 

 

Each time I use them, and I just took a gander at the tops of pine trees 300 yds. across the lake from my kitchen, I marvel that they are not Bak-4 loaded bins. The fit and finish in and on these binoculars is just amazing. Handling them is such a pleasure mechanically and optically.  It is no wonder there are so many fans and collectors of Swift products out there.  


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Posted 14 January 2018 - 12:27 PM

 

 

 

anybody hear of the old Vega Binoculars

 

l believe later Swift merged with them and were Called Swift Vegas

 

l think just the Vega Binoculars by themselves were really quite excellent 

Never looked through one, but some have said they became Swift's bargain bin bins. Do you own one? If not, which one have you peered through? 

 

yes

 

l have a 10x50 Swift Vega

 

its not here at the moment

 

l will have to check for field sharpness and numbers later

 

l will get them tomorrow

 

have them in my other place storage

 

the views were quite pleasing when l looked through them

 

bright images

 

 

l thought they may have been something special...

 

hi

 

well my Swift 10x50 Vegas are actually 10x50 VEGA..RAINER...   765 model #

 

275 Ft/1000yds

coated  precision optics 

 

has the 7s ,,they are hex/daimond shaped

 

awesome views this mornining looking at the falling snow and trees outside..

 

could these be the 7x35 Tritions Big Brother???

 

awesome views

 

Field looks to be a Flat Field in the daytime

 

maybe 10 % to the edge...will have to test on Stars next clear nite

 

its hard to tell in daytime

 

with exit pupils different contracted

 

l think they are the 7x35 tritons Bigger Brother myself

 

wild guess anyway

 

these just say Vega Rainer l dont see the Swift logo on these either....

 

l just assumed it said Swift

 

and did not look that close

 

my Bad....


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Posted 14 January 2018 - 12:34 PM

my Vega Rainer dosent even have the #7 in the numbers

 

has 600549,,,no 7

 

l wonder if these are Swift 

 

or Vega brand....

 

 

confused now


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Posted 14 January 2018 - 12:34 PM

 

 

 

 

anybody hear of the old Vega Binoculars

 

l believe later Swift merged with them and were Called Swift Vegas

 

l think just the Vega Binoculars by themselves were really quite excellent 

Never looked through one, but some have said they became Swift's bargain bin bins. Do you own one? If not, which one have you peered through? 

 

yes

 

l have a 10x50 Swift Vega

 

its not here at the moment

 

l will have to check for field sharpness and numbers later

 

l will get them tomorrow

 

have them in my other place storage

 

the views were quite pleasing when l looked through them

 

bright images

 

 

l thought they may have been something special...

 

hi

 

well my Swift 10x50 Vegas are actually 10x50 VEGA..RAINER...   765 model #

 

275 Ft/1000yds

coated  precision optics 

 

has the 7s ,,they are hex/daimond shaped

 

awesome views this mornining looking at the falling snow and trees outside..

 

could these be the 7x35 Tritions Big Brother???

 

awesome views

 

Field looks to be a Flat Field in the daytime

 

maybe 10 % to the edge...will have to test on Stars next clear nite

 

its hard to tell in daytime

 

with exit pupils different contracted

 

l think they are the 7x35 tritons Bigger Brother myself

 

wild guess anyway

 

these just say Vega Rainer l dont see the Swift logo on these either....

 

l just assumed it said Swift

 

and did not look that close

 

my Bad....

 

That's cool! You have a Vega Rainier before they were bought up and/or branded as Swifts. Can you post photos? Would love to see the differences and maybe date them. 


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Posted 14 January 2018 - 12:40 PM

l will try to

 

dont think my camera is here right now

 

never posted pics before..

 

may take awhile


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Posted 14 January 2018 - 12:42 PM

the number is 600549

 

if you can date with that let me know

 

thanks


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Posted 14 January 2018 - 12:46 PM

l am starting to perfer 7s in the daytime over the 4s

 

l just think they show better daytime

 

and the image isnt that blinding bright

 

 

l like the 4s for observing stars and universe at nite


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Posted 14 January 2018 - 01:34 PM

looking at a bright blue sky at tree limbs with Snow on them 

 

l dont see CA no where with these


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Posted 14 January 2018 - 01:38 PM

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Believe one of my favorite uncles had a set just like these. I seem to recall the unique name, and definitely remember the Swift logo, and the striped focus barrel, or cylinder. Must've been around age eight, they were brand new, and all I could do was look. Now I finally own a set exactly half a century after I was first shown them! 

 

These came off the Bay for $40. The woman in Maine originally was asking something like $80, had just reduced them to $50, when my wife made the offer and she readily accepted. Got them as a Christmas gift a few years back. Would've gladly paid the asking price, especially had I been able to first see and handle this excellent condition example. 

 

Views are superb, and another member has opined how Bk-7s are to be preferred for daytime use; Bak-4s for night stars and such. He may have hit on something. I've noticed an ineffable difference between ALL my bins. Which is why I love collecting so many different examples. There are subtle differences that I cannot put into words between Coated and Fully Coated. Whether they are 7 or 4s. Between amber and blue coatings. Mix and match the options, and the differences are nearly endless. Not to mention how well polished the prisms used are, or how many lenses are stuffed into EPs. 


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Posted 14 January 2018 - 02:14 PM

looking at a bright blue sky at tree limbs with Snow on them 

 

l dont see CA no where with these

I wouldn't know CA from CZ ! Can you define CA for me?

 

If you have a smart phone, take photos and send them to yourself via email. Choose a reduced size when it is offered by the phone. Has to be less that 500 k size to post here. Then go to your email on a computer, down load into a file. Go back to CN and download them on to here. 

 

Look at mine above to see what is needed from the prism covers. Notice the manufacture code of "No.7" before the actual serial #. If yours lacks this, I'd say it is an earlier one. Maybe still a Swift because of the Model #. This is what makes collecting them so fascinating. Swift destroyed a whole bunch of their early records, so now we have to dig and figure things out as we go along. 


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Posted 14 January 2018 - 02:24 PM

ahhh...l see

 

no number 7 there on these

 

CA l mean chromatic abberation...

 

my Vega looks like that  cept is all black no stripes on it


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Posted 14 January 2018 - 02:35 PM

maybe its 1960 

 

wild guess

 

since it is

 

no.600549

 

l have a Canon SLR Digital l have used it before to send pics to people

 

l will get it next time at my other place

 

them Cell phones are just to small for me to use,,,

 

fact l never have sent emails on one before

 

them screens are just to small

 

never have used it 

 

may try it

 

where lm staying at right now l dont have a cell tower to use till l go to town

 

staying out in the country right now kinda like in a crater  where  signals are blocked


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Posted 14 January 2018 - 03:32 PM

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One of my latest additions: National Instrument Corporation out of Houston, Texas. 7X50 Military style, but not stamped. Believe them to be post war produced MK-34s (?).

 

Nice shape with just a few small dots inside that don't affect views from Bak-4 prisms at all. IF is set to infinity and useful from 30 yds. out, at least for my eyes. Kinda heavy, and so well built. My "mean looking" bins, my wife has christened them! They are a serious looking tool.  

 

Need to  do research on how to approach cleaning them. Do the eye pieces unscrew from the prism plates, or is it a one piece unit? Probably some sealant around the prism covers, I'd imagine, requiring a heat gun to soften, as was done on a set of Zeiss my brother worked on.

 

Love them, and may just spend the $$ to have Cory S. handle the job. Would hate screwing these up! 


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Posted 14 January 2018 - 03:42 PM

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This is the AWESOME, so ridiculously well made case my Nat'l Instrument 7x50s (above) came in. Stamped "HOOD", they are made from a mold injected (?) weather proof/bomb proof rubberized plastic (?), and were almost as interesting as the binoculars they held. I smile in awe every time I handle it to remove the optics I store there.

 

Why the company did not offer these to the public, or other manufacturers of binoculars, eludes me. Given the choice, I'd bet serious collectors world-wide would buy and use them to store their treasures.

 

Wish there was more information on these.  


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Posted 14 January 2018 - 04:29 PM

 

 

 

l have read here before on CNs that the Commodore Mark ll has a built in field flatner

 

anyone used them before??

 

I'm curious about them myself.  The only review I've seen said the wide angle Model 823 had a lot of astigmatism and distortion at the edge, and eye relief of 10 mm.  As I understand it, there was also a clone called the Celestron Nova.

 

what are the FOV in them

 

11 degree ???? wild guess

 

 

10 degrees, for the wide field.  525 feet at 1000 yards.


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Posted 14 January 2018 - 04:36 PM

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One of my latest additions: National Instrument Corporation out of Houston, Texas. 7X50 Military style, but not stamped. Believe them to be post war produced MK-34s (?).

 

Nice shape with just a few small dots inside that don't affect views from Bak-4 prisms at all. IF is set to infinity and useful from 30 yds. out, at least for my eyes. Kinda heavy, and so well built. My "mean looking" bins, my wife has christened them! They are a serious looking tool.  

 

Need to  do research on how to approach cleaning them. Do the eye pieces unscrew from the prism plates, or is it a one piece unit? Probably some sealant around the prism covers, I'd imagine, requiring a heat gun to soften, as was done on a set of Zeiss my brother worked on.

 

Love them, and may just spend the $$ to have Cory S. handle the job. Would hate screwing these up! 

How old you think they are?  Wide field?


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Posted 14 January 2018 - 05:01 PM

maybe its 1960 

 

wild guess

 

since it is

 

no.600549

 

l have a Canon SLR Digital l have used it before to send pics to people

 

l will get it next time at my other place

 

them Cell phones are just to small for me to use,,,

 

fact l never have sent emails on one before

 

them screens are just to small

 

never have used it 

 

may try it

 

where lm staying at right now l dont have a cell tower to use till l go to town

 

staying out in the country right now kinda like in a crater  where  signals are blocked

hi

 

found my Canon Camera here..

 

took some basic pics

 

will  download them later from my files once l transfer over

 

lm new at this and may take some time

 

on those Vega Ranier 10x50



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Posted 14 January 2018 - 05:22 PM

how do l upload pics here?

 

lm confused

 

 

thanks

 

 

never done it before here



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Posted 14 January 2018 - 06:14 PM

my pics were to big

 

will redo

 

l figured out how to upload pics here



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Posted 14 January 2018 - 08:01 PM

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Posted 14 January 2018 - 08:10 PM

 

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One of my latest additions: National Instrument Corporation out of Houston, Texas. 7X50 Military style, but not stamped. Believe them to be post war produced MK-34s (?).

 

Nice shape with just a few small dots inside that don't affect views from Bak-4 prisms at all. IF is set to infinity and useful from 30 yds. out, at least for my eyes. Kinda heavy, and so well built. My "mean looking" bins, my wife has christened them! They are a serious looking tool.  

 

Need to  do research on how to approach cleaning them. Do the eye pieces unscrew from the prism plates, or is it a one piece unit? Probably some sealant around the prism covers, I'd imagine, requiring a heat gun to soften, as was done on a set of Zeiss my brother worked on.

 

Love them, and may just spend the $$ to have Cory S. handle the job. Would hate screwing these up! 

How old you think they are?  Wide field?

 

Not wide at all! Probably 7 degrees, no more. My Nikon JB-7 is 7.3, and these are less with almost equally nice views. Believe they are late 1940s to mid-1950s. 



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Posted 14 January 2018 - 08:17 PM

Nice photo! Nice photo! 

 

Let's have a shot of the other prism cover. 

 

From what I see, and if there was no JB# on the bottom, these are pre-1959. If there is a JB#, then they are 1959 to mid-1960s, since they lack those rubber fold down eyecups. I find that the older ones, on average, had nicer optics. Probably better finished Bk-7 prisms.

 

Watch out for older Binolux and Mayflower binoculars, too. Some fantastic stuff, as many others have noted here over the years. 


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