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Looking for 70 Deg AFOV for under $500 (10-12 power)

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#1 CMacD

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Posted 13 March 2018 - 03:14 PM

Going on a trip to the Atacama in August and need a good pair of nice bins. I like them wide :)

 

Ideas?

 



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Posted 13 March 2018 - 03:37 PM

Original Vixen 11x80s.



#3 Bob4BVM

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Posted 13 March 2018 - 03:40 PM

If you find any 70* 10X binocs, you better let us all know !

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Posted 13 March 2018 - 03:42 PM

There are a lot of great choices at 65°...


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#5 CMacD

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Posted 13 March 2018 - 03:48 PM

I would consider 65 if I had to...

Looking through B&H I noticed the Leupold 12x50 @ 69 Deg but have no clue what they are like.



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Posted 13 March 2018 - 03:50 PM

There are a lot of great choices at 65°...

65*  ... Are we talking binocs or EP's ?



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Posted 13 March 2018 - 03:57 PM

For more then 65° you pretty much will have to go vintage and live with bloated stars at the edge of the FoV. Some people like myself find that distracting but others (whom I envy grin.gif ) habe no problems with that. 

 

If the unsharpness at the edge of the FoV is no problem then look for a classic Swift Audubon 8.5x44. 

 

Edit: Just have seen the 10-12x reference. Sorry, I cant help you there


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Posted 13 March 2018 - 04:12 PM

For more then 65° you pretty much will have to go vintage and live with bloated stars at the edge of the FoV. Some people like myself find that distracting but others (whom I envy grin.gif ) habe no problems with that. 

 

If the unsharpness at the edge of the FoV is no problem then look for a classic Swift Audubon 8.5x44. 

 

Edit: Just have seen the 10-12x reference. Sorry, I cant help you there

I had likewise already typed up a recommendation for the Audubon, and then scratched it when I re-read the title. Nevertheless... IF you would lower your magnification requirement, the Audubon would be a great choice.



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Posted 13 March 2018 - 04:14 PM

Nikon 10x35 EII

 

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Posted 13 March 2018 - 04:17 PM

I would consider 65 if I had to...

Looking through B&H I noticed the Leupold 12x50 @ 69 Deg but have no clue what they are like.

In which case Fujinon 10x50 FMT-SX

 

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Posted 13 March 2018 - 04:19 PM

In which case Fujinon 10x50 FMT-SX

 

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Thanks Graham but $849.00 is out of my league.



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Posted 13 March 2018 - 05:22 PM

Thanks Graham but $849.00 is out of my league.

This one will fit your budget much better...

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/152940770375 



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Posted 13 March 2018 - 05:37 PM

This one will fit your budget much better...

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/152940770375

Any idea what the AFOV is for the Lunt's? 



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Posted 13 March 2018 - 06:25 PM

Any idea what the AFOV is for the Lunt's? 

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Posted 13 March 2018 - 06:36 PM

Thanks SMark.

I see that the APM 10×50 and 12x50 Magnesium ED APO is under $500

Is the ED glass worth it?



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Posted 13 March 2018 - 07:35 PM

Hard core bird watchers would probably say Yes. Feather colors can be subtle. If you are planning anything where the contrast lost due to a purple halo would become an issue, then consider the ED lenses. But for the most part, I haven't been so inclined to make the leap to ED. Everyone has an opinion though...

 

Also, keep in mind that all the issues are much more apparent with higher powers. At "normal" binocular magnifications, it's a much tougher argument to sell. At least, it is to me.


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Posted 14 March 2018 - 01:29 AM

Thanks SMark.

I see that the APM 10×50 and 12x50 Magnesium ED APO is under $500

Is the ED glass worth it?

 

The question is: what do you mean by „worth it“?

 

As SMark pointed out, many people can live with a bit of CA, myself included (not to forget that many of the CA effects actually result from incorrect eye placement behind the eyepieces).

 

But if you mean by „worth it“ whether the difference between the ED and non-ED version is visible at all, then: yes, It is clearly recognizable. The ED has less CA, is a bit brighter and shows a slightly „whiter“ image than the non-ED. But also the latter is quite a nice bino in my view.

 

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Posted 14 March 2018 - 01:50 AM

I have a Swift Audubon Kestrel 10x50 Porro that would tick all the boxes, but seem only to be rarely found these days.

 

Not the greatest bino for astro use in my humble opinion, as only around the central 4 degrees of the 7 degree TFOV shows stars as anything like approaching as "pin-point" sharp as the Nikon SE, but very good for daytime use, and the £100 I paid for mine USED almost 20 years ago represents fantastic value for money.

 

Eye relief is a bit tight at around 12mm.

 

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Posted 14 March 2018 - 03:08 AM

Thanks SMark.
I see that the APM 10×50 and 12x50 Magnesium ED APO is under $500
Is the ED glass worth it?


I have the Non-ED APM 10x50 (previously sold as Lunt 10x50) and do not miss having the ED glass. The CA in them is barely noticable and as SMark pointed out, mostly dependent on eye placement.

The field is flat enough that the star as the edge or in no way distracting and scanning star fields is a joy. I find for astronomy that 65* with good edge correction to be much better then 70* with bad edge correction.

Will you be taking a tripod with you?
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#20 CMacD

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Posted 14 March 2018 - 06:35 AM

We will be taking a fair bit of camera gear down to the Atacama with us but nothing large so a tripod will be at our disposal. We will be renting the larger scopes down there as well so we should have the medium and high power views covered but need something decent for the low power milky way. The APM's sound reasonable. I have a pair of 8x42 binoculars  currently so was looking for something with a tad more power. I can't seem to find a write up about the 12x units. Does anyone have any experience with those? A smaller focal length eyepiece can make it easier to create a wider apparent field. 



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Posted 14 March 2018 - 07:22 AM

If you find any 70* 10X binocs, you better let us all know !

Often found on the used, but maybe not the new market...

 

Tasco, labeled 10x50 and 367ft @1000 yds.

 

Other Tasco and Minolta a little wider still...


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Posted 14 March 2018 - 07:39 AM

Hi

 

I often use a pair of 10x50 Jenoptems (7.3°) or a 10x50 Swift Newport MK2 (7.9°)

These are cheap, lightweight, and wide.

Hard to beat. The Jenoptems are among my favorites at night.

 

I have tested the APM but my own eyes keep telling me that the extra sharpness and transmittance aren't worth the extra weight and cost

 

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