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#1 rolo

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Posted 25 March 2018 - 03:10 PM

I sure am! I was hooked when I got my very first SS102ED then the FL102 f/8.8 version followed by the FL102 f/9 and various other Vixen ED models! Below is the f/8.8 version.

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Posted 26 March 2018 - 03:02 AM

I had 3 of them: 55,70 and 102mm fluorites. Loved them all, but found the Celestron FL 55S f/8 special: so tiny with such perfect optics. My Tak FS102NSV had similarly perfect optics and was a notch above my FL102 S f/8.8 Celestron in performance. The Vixen FL70 S was sweet too. Would love a good FL80 S someday. Here is a pic of the tiny FL 55S powerhouse:

 

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#3 PETER DREW

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Posted 26 March 2018 - 04:25 AM

I have a 102mm Flourite and a 102mm achro Vixen. The achro is comparable on definition but the flourite is noticeably better on contrast and CA correction, as might be expected.


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Posted 26 March 2018 - 07:27 AM

Never owned a classic Vixen/Celestron ED or fluorite but I do think the modern Vixen EDs are very nice.  Mark me down as a fan.

 

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Posted 26 March 2018 - 08:01 AM

I have the Vixen SD81s which I like very much. It's light, good-looking, cools down quickly, has simple and reliable mechanics, and has really great optics which are always pleasing. Even at about twice (!) the price of my Orion 80ED it's still worth every cent. Count me in as a Vixen ED fan.


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Posted 26 March 2018 - 08:30 AM

Definitely a fan here.  I own a Vixen ED103S, and what little chance I've had to use it since getting it last fall, I'm really liking it.  The refractor of my dreams, though, is still a black tube Celestron/Vixen 102 fluorite, but I'm sure I could be very happy with the non-rebranded Vixen fluorite or the Orion branded version.

 

Erik, that FL55S really is a sweet little thing. waytogo.gif


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Posted 26 March 2018 - 08:46 AM

Through the years I've had a few and wish I could have kept them all! Here's the Orion FL102 version and an FL80 for a guide-scope on a Vixen GPDX mount. One of my favorite set ups! Took this pic of M33 with this scope back when I had gotten into CCD imaging.

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#8 John Huntley

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Posted 26 March 2018 - 09:14 AM

I have a Vixen ED102SS (pictured below) which I've owned for over 10 years now but have not managed to acquire a Vixen Fluorite during my time in the hobby. I have managed to get a Tak FC-100DL though which will have to do instead ! smile.gif

 

The Vixen's are great scopes though waytogo.gif

 

 

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Posted 26 March 2018 - 10:58 AM

YES! big fan here! let me see - over the time I had:

 

- FL102S - 920mm

- FL102S - 900mm

- FL80S

- ED102SS

- ED102S

 

All of them were great - with the 920mm FL102S beeing the best of the buch. The FL80S had som minor coma when I got it but could be fixed. The ED´s both had outstanding correction of the lens form and the FL102S combines this perfection in form with near perfection in color. 

 

There is some sample variation yes - but if you get a good fluorit lens you know you have one of the best lenses money can buy.

 

Finally sold all but the one, first FL102S.

 

 

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Posted 26 March 2018 - 11:47 AM

Chris, the V on the first scope , is that the V from Vehrenberg?


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Posted 26 March 2018 - 12:42 PM

I sure am! I was hooked when I got my very first SS102ED then the FL102 f/8.8 version followed by the FL102 f/9 and various other Vixen ED models! Below is the f/8.8 version.

 

Absolutely.  Probably my all time favorite 4 inch refractor.  I have owned three of the Celestron branded F/8.8 as well as several of the Orion branded versions.  And, one Vixen model that I purchased from Japan.  The three Celestron versions I have owned have been in poor physical shape but the lens has been outstanding.  I have restored all of them. 

 

Here is a picture of one of the ones I have restored.

 

The spherical correction is really quite good.  Most of the error in the star test image is from spherochromatism - spherical aberration as a function of wavelength.  The design is nulled in green light so the other colors smear the inner rings of the Fresnal pattern.

 

A great telescope.  I'd like another one.

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Posted 26 March 2018 - 01:24 PM

I sure am! I was hooked when I got my very first SS102ED then the FL102 f/8.8 version followed by the FL102 f/9 and various other Vixen ED models! Below is the f/8.8 version.

  drool5.gif  Absolute classic from the 1980's & 90s.

Have used both the Celestron badged 80mm and 102mm versions.   

Some of the finest refractors ever made and still compete to this day!  

I was always too busy with aperture fever at the time to grab one.   arrggggghhhh foreheadslap.gif 


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Posted 26 March 2018 - 01:44 PM

Chris, the V on the first scope , is that the V from Vehrenberg?

 

yes the "hook" or "V" stands for Vehrenberg one of most important importers and sellers of Vixen stuff in the 80ies and 90ies. For this scope only the importer as it was sold in Februrary 2002 by Teleskop Express (at the time known as Teleskop Service). Price was breathtaking 3497,- EUR (= 3.976 $) for the tube assambly with 6x30 finder, rings and dovetail.


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Posted 26 March 2018 - 01:58 PM

I can't answer this thread's headline question because I just owned a Vixen Fl-102/900. That one certainly was optically on the same level as the Takahashi fluorites (both made by Canon Optron, as everybody knows nowadays).

 

OTOH, I never had a Vixen ED scope. I know they also have a good reputation within their group of ED-glass refractors, especially against those of Chinese make. But I never heard or read they were on the same level of optical quality as the former Vixen fluorites. I also never found a source explaining for what reason Vixen actually (had to?) stop/ped compiling tluorite refractors, by the way... 

 

Though certainly having sympathy for the Vixen brand (especially as far as being produced in Japan), the OP's question seems to me to try favourably associating todays Vixen EDs with yesterday's hardly ever exceeded reputation of Vixen fluorites... 


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#15 John Huntley

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Posted 26 March 2018 - 02:11 PM

I've never thought that the Vixen ED's would (quite) rival the fluorites. They are pretty good ED doublets (I've used the ED F/9 as well as my own ED F/6.5) but the fluorites are a step up again and pretty much at the top of the ladder optically I reckon.

 

I wrote a few notes comparing my ED102SS with my Tak FC-100DL a while back and I guess the findings between a Vixen FL 102 and the ED102SS might well be similar:

 

https://www.cloudyni...ief-comparison/


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Posted 26 March 2018 - 02:24 PM

Hi John - good comparison - the same I saw when comparing the FL with the ED-SS - the ED´s never were real competitors for the FL´s not the SS and not the S. I can´t speak for newer 103S - I would think it´s a bit closer but finaly as well not on the same level...

 

Btw. have another receipt here for a ED-102SS bought at ICS in June, 2004 - price was 2030,- EUR for the tube assambly including a 7x50 finder, rings and flip-mirror.

 

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Posted 26 March 2018 - 02:38 PM

Another Vixen that I really liked was the ED114SS, 114mm x 600mm. What an excellent scope, it could literally do it all. Amazing with TV Naglers for wide-field viewing and surprisingly good for planets despite its f/5.4 photographic speed. Excellent high power views with a Vixen 3.5mm wide angle at 171x.

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Posted 26 March 2018 - 02:41 PM

Though certainly having sympathy for the Vixen brand (especially as far as being produced in Japan), the OP's question seems to me to try favourably associating todays Vixen EDs with yesterday's hardly ever exceeded reputation of Vixen fluorites... 

Not making any association with yesterday's vs today's, I was a fan of the yesterday's before today's but I love them both the samesmile.gif



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Posted 26 March 2018 - 02:48 PM

hey yes - had the ED-130SS too - nice scope but was a bit undercorrected - not too much but just not on the level of the 4" ED´s but this is sample variation only I guess. It was realy a nice and very light scope - just as the 4" SS smile.gif

 

But that 140ED is really a rare bird! never saw one used here in Germany...


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Posted 26 March 2018 - 02:58 PM

Absolutely.  Probably my all time favorite 4 inch refractor.  I have owned three of the Celestron branded F/8.8 as well as several of the Orion branded versions.  And, one Vixen model that I purchased from Japan.  The three Celestron versions I have owned have been in poor physical shape but the lens has been outstanding.  I have restored all of them. 

 

Here is a picture of one of the ones I have restored.

 

The spherical correction is really quite good.  Most of the error in the star test image is from spherochromatism - spherical aberration as a function of wavelength.  The design is nulled in green light so the other colors smear the inner rings of the Fresnal pattern.

A great telescope.  I'd like another one.

That's a beauty!



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Posted 26 March 2018 - 03:18 PM

I am a huge Vixen fan. My 102SS is my main scope grab and go backyard viewing. 

 

My Vixen 81S is my solar, lunar planetary grab and go scope. So far it has the most contrast I've seen in a refractor. 

 

No fluorite but the ED's are very good. Highly recommended. 


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Posted 26 March 2018 - 03:21 PM

 I also never found a source explaining for what reason Vixen actually (had to?) stop/ped compiling tluorite refractors, by the way... 

 

 

 

Looks like they are going to offer at least one very soon... FL55SS

 

https://www.vixen.co...roduct/26201_4/


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Posted 26 March 2018 - 03:26 PM

That's a beauty!

 Thx - I want another one.



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Posted 26 March 2018 - 04:03 PM

Absolutely.  Probably my all time favorite 4 inch refractor.  I have owned three of the Celestron branded F/8.8 as well as several of the Orion branded versions.  And, one Vixen model that I purchased from Japan.  The three Celestron versions I have owned have been in poor physical shape but the lens has been outstanding.  I have restored all of them. 

 

Here is a picture of one of the ones I have restored.

 

The spherical correction is really quite good.  Most of the error in the star test image is from spherochromatism - spherical aberration as a function of wavelength.  The design is nulled in green light so the other colors smear the inner rings of the Fresnal pattern.

 

A great telescope.  I'd like another one.

 

That's some nice optics. Do you find the spherochromatism unmixes with a green filter and you're able to get sharper inner rings vs a smear with a filter?


Edited by moshen, 26 March 2018 - 04:04 PM.


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Posted 26 March 2018 - 04:50 PM

Yes. I have owned the following ones:

FL-80S

ED100

ED102SS

ED114SS


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