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#1 Chesterguy1

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Posted 02 September 2018 - 01:33 PM

Last night was about my 10th try to find that little bugger hanging out in the diffraction ring.  I had tried repeatedly and without success with my 120mm ED.  I've tried before with my 8", even on an EQ platform a few nights ago.  This time I managed to see it with the 8" at an ungodly 498x without the EQ, so constant nudging and then allowing it to drift (if the drifting was near rapids) .  I would call it my "great white whale", but it's more like a tiny white pimple.

 

You'd expect the 8" should easily split it, if I could just get improved seeing.

 

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Posted 02 September 2018 - 03:00 PM

Congratulations.

 

I think I first bagged this one in 2016 in my 128mm refractor (notes say it was "surprisingly easy at 345x"). It's getting easier. And very good seeing is essential. 



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Posted 04 September 2018 - 04:21 PM

My respect to the two of you.Great obs!! 1.3" sep and mag 2.95 and 5.4 this is a real challanger. ( according to "stelle doppie") I must have tried it almost 10X with my scopes. See below!With no success. This little devil frustrates me!!
Have you observed 10 Aries? How much easier is it than Zeta Her?

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Posted 04 September 2018 - 05:20 PM

On the right night, it is fairly easy with my 180 Mak at x270 and above. With my smaller Mak 127 (119 mm clear aperture) it is a bit more of challenge - this is an image from four years ago:-

 

Chris

 

zetahercfa.jpg


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#5 Magnus Ahrling

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Posted 05 September 2018 - 06:08 AM

Beutifullsmile.gif Nice little green secondary. Thanks for sharing!

 

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Posted 05 September 2018 - 08:31 PM

On the right night, it is fairly easy with my 180 Mak at x270 and above. With my smaller Mak 127 (119 mm clear aperture) it is a bit more of challenge - this is an image from four years ago:-

 

Chris

 

attachicon.gif zetahercfa.jpg

My view mimicked your photo except that both A & B were a bit brighter and a little more active as they scooted through the fov. I have not tried 10 Aries.  One positive about Zeta Herculis is that it is well placed at 10 pm this time of year.

 

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Posted 11 September 2018 - 08:23 AM

Well, I confirmed my sighting of Zeta Herculis las night. Same instrument, equal or better seeing and this time on my EQ Platform. Despite not getting my platform aligned perfectly on Polaris because it was blocked by my house, I still managed enough accuracy so that, while it drifted through the EP, it wasn’t like the prior night. Still a tough split at 498x in my typical seeing. I salute those of you who are splitting it below 140mm.

 

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Posted 20 September 2018 - 12:15 PM

Chesterguy, congratulations on splitting Z Her.  In this game it pays to be persistent.

 

My most recent attempt was in late June with my 130 apo. It was a full moon night with average seeing for my area (P5) and Zeta Her was directly overhead.  I saw a close split at 234x with the spurious disks just touching in steady moments...a neat snowman pair. 


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Posted 30 September 2018 - 01:08 PM

I just tried to observe (split is the wrong word) this star with my 4 inch refractor. The observation was at the very limit. At 220x I saw a tiny deformation of the airy disc in the right direction.


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Posted 08 June 2019 - 11:41 PM

Hello,

 

Here is my picture from Zëta Herculis with my LZOS 6inchs F8 APO refractor with a barlow TV 3X and ASI 224MC camera.

 

Z%C3%AAta_Hercule_-_STF2084_-_HIP_81693_

 

More information and pictures on the capture here (sorry it's in french):

http://www.astrosurf...dite-rutilicus/

 

Claude/Pringy77310/France


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Posted 19 June 2019 - 08:10 PM

I observed this double with the 8" reflector twice in recent days:

 

345x:  just split with smaller secondary appearing yellow against bright white primary; secondary appears to be sitting between first and second diffraction rings

 

314x:  when seeing permits, the yellowish secondary is seen sitting atop the primary

 

I did a few Aberrator simulations for the expected view using either my 8" or 15" reflectors; these are shown below.

 

ZetHERAberrator_Gimp.jpg

 

The 8" inch simulation is fairly close to what I saw.  The 15" simulation shows the secondary now sitting near the second diffraction ring.  In some images I obtained recently with the 15" and an ASI 290MM camera this is pretty much what I saw.  In the composite image below the first diffraction ring appears as a fuzzy halo while second ring got washed out a bit in processing.

 

STF2084_Zeta_HER.jpg
 


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Posted 26 September 2020 - 03:28 PM

I can agree with the Zeta Herculis at last sentiment at the start of this thread. Encouraged by the posts here on Cloudy Nights and advice from John Huntly I have at last seen Zeta Herculis on two separate nights from here in the UK. On both nights the telescope used was a TMB 130mm f9.2 Apo-refractor.

 

First time was on the 21st July 2020 with a Tak prism diagonal and a 4mm Circle V Ortho for about x300. Secondary appeared as a very condensed yellowish oval sitting on the first diffraction ring at about the right position angle relative to a white primary.

 

Second time the 14th August 2020 with the same Tak prism using a 9mm Morpheus (x133) a 8mm Brandon (X150) a 5mm Tak LE (x240) and the same 8mm Brandon with a x1.5 Magic Darkin for 5.3mm (x225). All eyepieces had been recently cleaned or the case of the Morpheus it was virtually brand new.

 

With the 9mm Morpheus I was surprised to very occasionally a tiny white fleck at about the right position, a convincing observation. With the 8mm Brandon the same flick appeared as a definite tiny point like a white LED flashing on and off.

 

With the 5mm Tak LE the same position of the previously seen fleck became a definite faint yellowish condensed part of the first diffraction ring very similar to the view with the 4mm Ortho back in July.

 

With the barlowed 8mm Brandon the secondary managed to be definite small disk on the first diffraction ring, very similar to a sketch that John Huntly was kind enough to send me.

There have been of course been many failures

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Posted 26 September 2020 - 08:52 PM

Nice stories and tales about Zeta Hercules.  

 

I split is on a regular basis with my 120 Eon, doable but difficult.  With my Dobs, it's pretty straightforward if they are cooled.

 

A few years ago I had my first 120mm Eon and a Orion 127 Starmax.  I was able to make the split on a regular basis with the Eon, I never made it with the Starmax.  

 

One night I decided to really give the 127 mm (actually 120mm) Mak it's best chance.  I set the scope out for 2 hours before beginning the observation. Zeta Herc was well positioned.  I just couldn't make the split.  

 

In frustration, I got out the 120mm Eon and was immediately made the split even though the scope was cooling.  I quickly made a 40% CO for the refractor and while there was some loss of crispness, it still made the split. It wasn't the CO.. 

 

Not long after that, I gave the Starmax to someone.

 

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Posted 30 September 2020 - 08:25 AM

I have VERY rarely split Zeta Her, due to the generally poor seeing in the Boston Mountains here.


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Posted 07 October 2020 - 12:27 PM

   Zeta Herculis is on my bucket list. I have not had good luck, the last three viewing session's, being able to get a clean split. I know that persistence will pay off in the end!




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