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The New AP Stowaway is Coming Along

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#1076 Moondust

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Posted 11 January 2019 - 03:49 PM

Gorgeous pictures and scopes Gus. The new Stowaway looks quite stubby in your images.

To accommodate the larger 2.5"  Feather Touch focuser. Part of this look is because of the 2 different dew shields. If the shield that is on the original was on the new Stowaway and vice versa then it would entirely change this perception.


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#1077 Paul G

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Posted 11 January 2019 - 03:50 PM

Gorgeous pictures and scopes Gus. The new Stowaway looks quite stubby in your images.

It's solid, Erik, very solid. Next to it the original looks svelte and minimalistic. But there is less than 0.3 kg weight difference between them. The original was made for the photography of that time, 35mm film and early CCD cameras, the new for today's large cameras and the difference in focusers reflects that (2.5" vs 2"). 

 

Marty at Company 7 described the new Stowaway as "refined" and I certainly agree, everything is elegantly done. Even down to the rings, on the original the rings are held together with four recessed hex head bolts, on the new beautifully made tapered knobs.

 

I wonder why the original Stowaway is longer? The focal length is 604mm compared to 612mm for the new Stowaway. If anything it should be the other way around. Something in the focuser or dewshied perhaps? The original didn't come with a 2" to 1 1/4 adapter?  Coatings look less pronounced than on the new scope. Could this have anything to do with oil vs air spacing? Are the coatings on the original also green? Your photo seems to show a hint of this. New version seems to have more baffles. Is there a noticeable weight difference? Assuming the original also has a dovetail bar attached. No one can complain about the font on the lens ring of the original grin.gif.Looking forward to a shootout between the two but I doubt any differences will be perceived at least visually, perhaps for imaging.    

Good question, probably the larger focuser. The original did come with the 2" to 1 1/4" adapter but I store it with the AP engraved desiccant cap in place (sadly no longer made). Reflections do appear more pronounced on the new, it has more effective coatings (0.2% vs 0.5% reflectivity) but four more air-glass surfaces, overall transmission greater than 97% for both so it is a wash. But the impression is almost no visible reflections in the original, what is there has a very slight purple tone, just like the other EDF scopes of that era. I didn't use a flash for the shot of the objectives so the baffles aren't obvious but the original is baffled all the way through the focuser draw tube to the back, couldn't fit any more into the scope.

 

You're right, no complaints about the font on the objective ring! lol.gif  I expect them to perform identically visually. The original Stowaway has the best optics I've ever seen in a scope, with a very close second to the TSA-102 and the APM/TMB 100/800.

 

Edit: For a tracking mount for the Stowaway I use the AP 400 GTO mount on the AP wood tripod with the Lapides spreader. Perfect combination.


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#1078 Joe Bergeron

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Posted 11 January 2019 - 05:56 PM

I suspect the new focuser has more travel than the older one, resulting in the slightly shorter overall length.

The older one has a retaining ring in front, no real lens cell, and thus no room for any engraving. Fortunately I have never forgotten what telescope it is.
 

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Posted 12 January 2019 - 03:01 AM

@ Gus: very nice pictures! Nice to see that the Gitzo is capable to carry the little A-P.

 

"For a tracking mount for the Stowaway I use the AP 400 GTO mount on the AP wood tripod with the Lapides spreader. Perfect combination."

 

Of course we would like to see that configuration in a picture  cool.gif


 

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Posted 12 January 2019 - 01:01 PM

I replaced the knurled thumb screws used to secure the 2-1/2" to 2" Doveloc collar on my Stowaway to simplify  the tail end of the scope. I'm a visual only observer and will never remove this part while I own the scope and I'm happy with how clean this end of the scope is now. The correct item is a stainless steel 10-32 1/2" long  cone point set screw. I ordered these and a few other fasteners from Boltdepot.com, highly recommended.

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#1081 Jeff Gardner

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Posted 12 January 2019 - 01:02 PM

Another picture:

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#1082 Alan French

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Posted 12 January 2019 - 01:16 PM

I replaced the knurled thumb screws used to secure the 2-1/2" to 2" Doveloc collar on my Stowaway to simplify  the tail end of the scope. I'm a visual only observer and will never remove this part while I own the scope and I'm happy with how clean this end of the scope is now. The correct item is a stainless steel 10-32 1/2" long  cone point set screw. I ordered these and a few other fasteners from Boltdepot.com, highly recommended.

I strongly second Jeff's recommendation for Bolt Depot. 

 

Clear skies, Alan


 

#1083 Jeff Gardner

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Posted 12 January 2019 - 02:15 PM

I strongly second Jeff's recommendation for Bolt Depot. 

 

Clear skies, Alan

Here is the required item, paying a few dollars shipping is way easier than driving around town in search of the correct item.

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Posted 12 January 2019 - 02:20 PM

Either rides comfortably on a Universal Astronomics Unistar Light Deluxe. The scope is upside down only to avoid the handle bonking into the focuser knobs, easily solved by rotating the dovetail clamp 180 degrees and reversing the handle, everything lines up just fine without interference, I just hadn't done that yet when I took this pic. The mount is on a Gitzo 5 series cf tripod, extremely stable, also is just fine for visual on a Gitzo 3 series and even lighter.

Now that looks like the perfect grab and go combination!!!! 


 

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Posted 12 January 2019 - 02:23 PM

@ Gus: very nice pictures! Nice to see that the Gitzo is capable to carry the little A-P.

 

"For a tracking mount for the Stowaway I use the AP 400 GTO mount on the AP wood tripod with the Lapides spreader. Perfect combination."

 

Of course we would like to see that configuration in a picture  cool.gif

Here it is, my wife says it's wearing its little black dress, cables not attached. The 400GTO fits in a Pelican 1550.

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#1086 Paul G

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Posted 12 January 2019 - 02:33 PM

Here is the required item, paying a few dollars shipping is way easier than driving around town in search of the correct item.

Looks like a great solution for us visual folks. McMaster-Carr has the same thing with softer tip inserts that won't mar, they carry both a nylon tip and a brass tip.


 

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Posted 14 January 2019 - 03:40 AM

We still don’t see any in the Classifieds.... lol.gif


 

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Posted 14 January 2019 - 03:41 AM

As always, there is a reason. This scope is a cloud magnet so first light is a nightmare situation with this scope :(


 

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Posted 14 January 2019 - 03:48 PM

I got a call from Astro-Physics this morning. I was very early on the new list (maybe the first or close to it?) and they made it to me today because of earlier cancellations.

 

Deposit placed and shipping late January or sometime February. I didn't expect to be called in this run so this was a pleasant surprise!


 

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Posted 14 January 2019 - 04:38 PM

I got a call from Astro-Physics this morning. 

 

Moshen Congrats!!!


 

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Posted 14 January 2019 - 07:33 PM

This is my new grab and go rig. 92mm Stowaway mounted on Stellarvue M1V altaz mount with Davis and Sanford All Terrain pod. The tripod has a 35 pound weight rating and will easily handle that load. It weighs 7 lbs and the Stellarvue M1V mount weighs around 2.5 lb. The whole set up is very sturdy and light enough to grab in one trip. The tripod will open up extremely wide if you like with different adjustments and has both pointed or flat feet depending how you flip them. I originally bought the M1V mount for my AT 72 ED2 but was pleasantly surprised that I can use it with my Stowaway also thanks to very capable Davis and Sanford tripod. The tripod reminds me of a mini version of the Davis and Sanford tripod Questar used sell for the Q 3.5 of which I used to own. There is 500kb limit on photos so rather than post a bunch of tiny photos on one page I'll post one at a time.   

 

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Posted 14 January 2019 - 07:36 PM

Another shot different angle

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Posted 14 January 2019 - 07:38 PM

A black and white showing entire tripod. 

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Posted 14 January 2019 - 07:40 PM

Another angle

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Posted 14 January 2019 - 07:41 PM

Close up

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Posted 14 January 2019 - 07:44 PM

Thats all folks!

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Posted 14 January 2019 - 07:51 PM

I didn't expect to be called in this run so this was a pleasant surprise!

Very pleasant, indeed, congratulations!


 

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Posted 14 January 2019 - 09:03 PM

Photos just don’t do this scope justice.  It is a masterpiece. Thank you Roland. #74


 

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Posted 15 January 2019 - 12:38 AM

I got a call from Astro-Physics this morning. I was very early on the new list (maybe the first or close to it?) and they made it to me today because of earlier cancellations.

 

Deposit placed and shipping late January or sometime February. I didn't expect to be called in this run so this was a pleasant surprise!

That’s good news Moshen. I put my name on the 92 list early PM pacific time on the first day. Hoping, but not expecting to get a call for the next run sometime this spring. If so, I will have a decision to make.

 

The best thing i have found about being on an AP list is that it gives me a good excuse for not buying anything until they call me, which might be never, potentially saving me a lot of money.

 

I put my name on the 105 list many years ago, but they haven’t made any more since then, saving me a lot of money. As an afterthought, put my name on the 130 list at the same time, but declined when I got the call a couple of years ago because it wasn’t suited to my current observing site, saving me a LOT of money. 

 

Wish TV, TAK, and AT would go to a list system. 


 

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Posted 15 January 2019 - 08:38 AM

I got a call from Astro-Physics this morning. I was very early on the new list (maybe the first or close to it?) and they made it to me today because of earlier cancellations.

Deposit placed and shipping late January or sometime February. I didn't expect to be called in this run so this was a pleasant surprise!


That is good news...On to the new list!
 


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