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New APM MS 6 x 60 and 8 x 30 Porro ED-Apo Binoculars coming

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#1 APM M.Ludes

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Posted 22 September 2018 - 03:54 AM

we will introduce for christmas time a new series of small porro prisms , they will be available as achromat and as Apo using ED element on front. APM will carry and offer the more expensive ED Apo version only

 

some basic information's

 

MS 6 x 30 :

- FOV-Angular 9.3 degree

- Apparent FOV : 56 degree

- eye relief 18.5 mm

- IPD 56 mm - 74 mm

- weight 560 grams

Price US $ 175

 

 

MS 8 x 30 :

- FOV-Angular 8.1 degree

- Apparent FOV : 65 degree

- eye relief 18.2 mm

- IPD 56 mm - 74 mm

- weight 550 grams

Price US $ 195

 

 

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Edited by APM M.Ludes, 23 September 2018 - 02:23 AM.

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Posted 22 September 2018 - 10:04 AM

Great news, espeically the anouncement of the 6x30 wide field!



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Posted 22 September 2018 - 10:15 AM

The 6x30 looks particularly interesting. Could be fantastic for Milky Way sweeping under dark skies. 

 

 

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Posted 22 September 2018 - 11:27 AM

Welcome news but I think Markus may have the apparent FOV mixed up. The 6x should be 56 degree and the 8x should be 65 degree based on the actual FOV.



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Posted 22 September 2018 - 01:06 PM

I think the apparent field of view is the wrong way round.  The 6x30 should be 56 degrees and the 8x30 65 degrees.



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Posted 22 September 2018 - 04:15 PM

Apparently the aperture in the title is wrong, too.

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Posted 22 September 2018 - 05:02 PM

Markus

 

In this size (30mm objectives), wouldn’t centre focus be a much more attractive proposition for people? 

 

From what i’ve read, IF is a no go for a lot of people, unless tripod-mounted. 

 

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Posted 23 September 2018 - 01:00 AM

Nice size and price. Good to see the world hasn’t completely moved to expensive roof prisms.

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Posted 23 September 2018 - 02:09 AM

.....

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From what i’ve read, IF is a no go for a lot of people, unless tripod-mounted. 

 

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I agree for the 8x version, CF would make it more versatile.

I have no issue with the 6x being IF (IF does not only have disadvantages, APM avoids a lot of trouble and cost with IF instead of CF), the Vixen SG 6.5x32 is a good example how IF works well for many applications.

I also agree with PEterW that this is good news on the porro front. The model presented by Markus looks like a modernized version of the Nikon E II, nice design based on functionality.


Edited by Pinac, 23 September 2018 - 02:14 AM.


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Posted 23 September 2018 - 02:24 AM

FOV was mixed, now it is corrected



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Posted 23 September 2018 - 09:04 AM

For daytime use unless the depth of focus is big it could be annoying, my 8x30 needs plenty of twiddling, my old 7x35 operate almost fixed focus. At night trying to get “perfect focus” on some of my binoculars I keep fiddling with centre and then right eye adjustment.... so might as well be centre
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Posted 23 September 2018 - 04:55 PM

Markus,

I agree with others:  Please include center focus on these, even if it adds to the price.

 

Really nice porro prism binoculars have all but disappeared from the market.  You might be surprised how popular these would be if you take your time and make these really nice, with a wide, flat field and generous eye relief.  Twist-up eyecups might be nice too.   It sort of defeats the purpose of a small, hand hold-able binocular if you can't quickly adjust the focus.  Many birders won't want them if they don't have center focus.

 

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Posted 23 September 2018 - 05:02 PM

That photo in the original post sure doesn't look like a 6X30 nor an 8X30...  ??

 

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Posted 24 September 2018 - 01:51 AM

Ho great that's in my budget!

I was looking for them 

 

http://www.holgermer...e/ares8x30.html

 

But couldn't find them good; only type 62 or "canis Latrans"...
https://kunyangoptic....43044af90rPL6H


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Posted 24 September 2018 - 11:21 AM

I'd buy a good 6x30 with those specs waytogo.gif  I had often considered the Kowa 6x30 porro in the past.

 

Thanks Markus for this update and good news. Wide field binoculars are still being worked on bow.gif



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Posted 20 October 2018 - 07:08 PM

The photo is interesting! An even smaller angled view bino? A modern APM variant of the Miyauchi Pleiades 60mm?

Tell us more!

Thanks,
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Posted 20 October 2018 - 09:28 PM

we will introduce for christmas time a new series of small porro prisms , they will be available as achromat and as Apo using ED element on front. APM will carry and offer the more expensive ED Apo version only
 
some basic information's
 
MS 6 x 30 :
- FOV-Angular 9.3 degree
- Apparent FOV : 56 degree
- eye relief 18.5 mm
- IPD 56 mm - 74 mm
- weight 560 grams
Price US $ 175
 
 
MS 8 x 30 :
- FOV-Angular 8.1 degree
- Apparent FOV : 65 degree
- eye relief 18.2 mm
- IPD 56 mm - 74 mm
- weight 550 grams
Price US $ 195
 
 
secondhand-second-APM150_5.jpg

The photo makes them look bigger than 30mm aperture.

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Posted 20 October 2018 - 09:33 PM

The photo is interesting! An even smaller angled view bino? A modern APM variant of the Miyauchi Pleiades 60mm?

Tell us more!

Thanks,
Sebastian

That looks like 150.
I don't know why Markus posted it.

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Posted 22 October 2018 - 12:21 PM

Are those prices for ED or achro?  Title is wrong for thread.  Picture is wrong.  What else is wrong?



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Posted 22 October 2018 - 04:47 PM

Are those prices for ED or achro?  Title is wrong for thread.  Picture is wrong.  What else is wrong?

 

It says in the first post APM will sell the ED version only.



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Posted 22 October 2018 - 07:48 PM

sorry for the wrong picture, here the correct one

 

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Posted 23 October 2018 - 05:08 AM

Your going to need to find a supplier that does center focus too, Markus.

I think for a 30mm binocular you cut your market to 1/10th by going IF.


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Posted 23 October 2018 - 10:30 AM

Your going to need to find a supplier that does center focus too, Markus.

I think for a 30mm binocular you cut your market to 1/10th by going IF.

I don't think he's going for the broad consumer market, he's going for the dedicated astronomy market. I, for one, strongly prefer my astronomy binoculars to have individual focus eyepieces. 

 

 

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Posted 23 October 2018 - 11:46 AM

 

Your going to need to find a supplier that does center focus too, Markus.

I think for a 30mm binocular you cut your market to 1/10th by going IF.

If Markus give us the choice for a (12 degree) 6x30 with Centre Focus or a 6x30 Individual Focus with field flattener lenses (sharp to edge field) 9 out 10 would choose the latter. (9.3 true/ 56 degree apparent is not wide enough)

Such binocular is not a simple on the shelf  $250.= bino however.

 

Garrett


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Posted 23 October 2018 - 03:03 PM

I don't think he's going for the broad consumer market, he's going for the dedicated astronomy market. I, for one, strongly prefer my astronomy binoculars to have individual focus eyepieces. 

Did you notice I said "too"?

Anyway, I believe your statement comes from experience with sloppy CF mechanisms perhaps not having experienced CF binoculars that are as rock solid in keeping their focus position as the best IF instruments. It is possible; they do exist - my Docter Nobilem 15x60 is an example.




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