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New APM MS 6 x 60 and 8 x 30 Porro ED-Apo Binoculars coming

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#26 Mark9473

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Posted 23 October 2018 - 03:04 PM

If Markus give us the choice for a (12 degree) 6x30 with Centre Focus or a 6x30 Individual Focus with field flattener lenses (sharp to edge field) 9 out 10 would choose the latter. (9.3 true/ 56 degree apparent is not wide enough)

I'm sorry, I don't understand what you're saying. What does IF/CF have to do with FOV?



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Posted 23 October 2018 - 05:00 PM

It says in the first post APM will sell the ED version only.

I can read, and I read in the first post we will introduce for christmas time a new series of small porro prisms , they will be available as achromat and as Apo using ED element on front.



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Posted 23 October 2018 - 08:23 PM

I can read, and I read in the first post we will introduce for christmas time a new series of small porro prisms , they will be available as achromat and as Apo using ED element on front.

It’s not the reading, it’s where you stop reading.....

Sentence 2:

”APM will carry and offer the more expensive ED Apo version only”



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Posted 24 October 2018 - 11:05 AM

It’s not the reading, it’s where you stop reading.....

Sentence 2:

”APM will carry and offer the more expensive ED Apo version only”

 

So when I stop reading Lude’s posts, I am left confused because of the conflicting statements.  It’s no good accepting what you want to hear, you have to take in all the statements.  Why is this so difficult to understand?


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Posted 24 October 2018 - 12:26 PM

 

I'm sorry, I don't understand what you're saying. What does IF/CF have to do with FOV?

Basically nothing..., but I don't like small field especial in a small binocular; any good 7x50 bino has a field of 7.5 degree; I recommend 12 degree for a 6x30 binocular, that's a apparent field of 72 degree same as a Delos eyepiece.

But such extra wide 6x30 bino would have eyepiece's as big as a Delos eyepiece! that's Nikon WX territory grin.gif (size and price).

 

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Posted 24 October 2018 - 12:48 PM

So when I stop reading Lude’s posts, I am left confused because of the conflicting statements.  It’s no good accepting what you want to hear, you have to take in all the statements.  Why is this so difficult to understand?

 

The guy is German, and English is obviously not his first language. Therefore you take in all the statements, show a little patience, and come to the logical conclusion - APM will offer ED only. 

 

Back on topic, if there will be multiple variants, the design of these has possibly not been led or requested by APM. APM will be resellers, and we may see variants by other vendors?

 

I hope Markus has noted the interest for centre focus small bino’s, and ultra wide field, and can give us something special!


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Posted 04 December 2018 - 03:18 PM

Markus, any updates?

I'm looking to add the 6x30's to my christmas wish list!

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Posted 04 December 2018 - 04:28 PM

just spoke 2 days ago to United Optics. No News yet, sorry



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Posted 20 December 2018 - 05:36 PM

Well it looks like it’s too late for Santa to bring me anything now grin.gif

 

Any pics or updates? 

 

Eagerly awaiting a nice 30mm bino to pair up with the 100mm APO’s cool.gif


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Posted 16 March 2019 - 03:30 AM

Markus,

Are these 30mm binoculars still going to happen?

 

Also is there any possibility of making them with center focus in the future?

 

Dave


Edited by Passerine, 16 March 2019 - 09:39 AM.


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Posted 16 March 2019 - 10:13 AM

I have seen them at the world show IWA in Germany 1 week ago

 

 

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Edited by APM M.Ludes, 16 March 2019 - 11:15 AM.

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Posted 16 March 2019 - 10:30 AM

I really need one of these binoculars to see the images in detail...grin.gif Edit: that's better!

 

A 12 degree 6x30 flatfield binocular is high on my wish list...


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Posted 16 March 2019 - 10:49 AM

Any chance for a CF version of these?



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Posted 16 March 2019 - 11:56 AM

a CF Version is in design stage, yes



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Posted 17 March 2019 - 12:07 AM

Outstanding news that a CF version is being planned!  If it becomes a certainty I would probably wait for the CF version.  Keep us posted on these Markus.

 

The 6X30 model would be more compelling if the Apparent FOV was the same as the 8X30.  Regardless I'm interested in both.  Especially with ED glass and hopefully good field flattening with large sweet spot.

 

Dave



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Posted 17 March 2019 - 04:14 AM

Thanks Markus, for me it makes a lot of sense to have CF in smaller binos (even the 50s, perhaps).

 

Keep us informed!



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Posted 21 March 2019 - 01:52 PM

Glad to read these are on their way. 6x30 is most interesting. Wish they had an even wider field though...



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Posted 21 March 2019 - 04:06 PM

Wider field would really make these stand out. A lot of people after a small porro for astronomy, even more so for a truly wide field.

Are the planned centre focus specs identical to these ones?

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Posted 23 March 2019 - 01:22 AM

I have seen them at the world show IWA in Germany 1 week ago

 

 

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Hi Markus, Are you be able to bring these at the coming ATT (Essen Germany)?



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Posted 25 March 2019 - 10:57 AM

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specs , so Gentlemen which one you like best ? or do you like both ?



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Posted 25 March 2019 - 11:04 AM

 

 

specs , so Gentlemen which one you like best ? or do you like both ?

6x30! 8x30's are a dime-a-dozen :-)


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Posted 25 March 2019 - 03:21 PM

6x30 +1



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Posted 25 March 2019 - 04:31 PM

I agree the 6X model is more appealing from an astronomy standpoint because it is more unusual.  I might order the 6X first as a steady and lightweight hand held astronomy tool.  I know a lot of people are very comfortable hand-holding much higher power binoculars for astronomy, but I think I would enjoy a small steady 6X like that, just for evening walks and for a quick wider view when working at my larger telescopes.

 

It amazes me how quality porro prism binoculars have so completely vanished from existence.  I'm very glad to see you planning these. 

 

I will definitely wait for center focus versions if you promise to make them.  Especially with those close focus numbers of 2.5m and 3.2m, center focus will make them so much more useful.

 

It's too bad the 6X version has 56° AFOV.  I would like the 6X30 even more if it had a wider FOV.

 

But more important than the FOV is to use ED glass and a well-designed high quality field-flattening eyepiece.

 

Dave



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Posted 25 March 2019 - 04:40 PM

One other observation: Just looking at the photograph above, the usable eye relief might be borderline for eyeglass users to comfortably see the whole field.  You might want to consider that.  I think my old Nikon SE 8X32 has a little better usable eye relief.  Also twist-up eye cups would be nice, but not a must have/deal breaker. 

 

Dave



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Posted 25 March 2019 - 04:58 PM

Both please.




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