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Posted 25 March 2019 - 11:51 PM

6x30



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Posted 26 March 2019 - 06:45 AM

Both, please (and in centre focus).

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Posted 26 March 2019 - 10:01 AM

thanks so far for the feed back

 

I guess I will try indeed both versions :-)



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Posted 16 April 2019 - 01:29 PM

Any idea when these will be released Markus?

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Posted 20 April 2019 - 07:36 AM

the prototype should arrive in May , once I confirm all is ok, 2 month later I shall have first run, so we talk about summer 2019 time for sale :-)

 

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Posted 24 April 2019 - 03:56 PM

And does that include the centre focus models Markus?

 

Any chance of blue coloured rings (instead of the red shown on your picture before) round the objectives to match their bigger brothers? smile.gif


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Posted 25 April 2019 - 06:56 AM

we producing only the center focus versions



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Posted 10 July 2019 - 04:38 PM

Markus,

Can you give us an update?  Thank you.

 

Dave



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Posted 12 July 2019 - 07:00 AM

Dave

 

the samples for my testing arrive in fact next days, than I will test them and post my opinion


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Posted 12 July 2019 - 07:16 AM

Looking forward to seeing the final product, and hearing your thoughts smile.gif



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Posted 30 July 2019 - 03:02 PM

Any news on these?



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Posted 05 August 2019 - 11:03 AM

I wrote before but forgot to hit the send button :-(

 

well I got both , here a short report

 

6 x 30 has 9.3 degree FOV , is no ED Apo, but due low power colorfree. It has a nice and very well corrected FOV. The eyerubber is a bit stiff and will be changed against softer material.

With eyeglases I can barelly see the whole FOV. The eyelens is sitting to deep in the mechanics . I asked besides softer eyeguard also if there is a chance to remove some mechanical material to gain a bit more eyerelief.

Coating is terrifix as well as the contrast. Side by side with a japanese competition, the chinese 6 x 30 rocks and show a superior contrast.Fit and finish is first class.

 

 

 

8 x 30 has 8.1 degree FOV and is a ED Apo. Everything is same as above , accept the field correction. The 8 x 30 suffer from a quite obvious poor edge, last 15 % is visible bad. But center contrast also exceed visible the japanese competition

 

 

I guess I will go with the 6 x 30 only, until the 8 x 30 get a better edge correction

 

both show almost no distortion.


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Posted 05 August 2019 - 04:52 PM

Thanks for the update Markus. Would love to see 8x30 as well. Is that 15% that bad that it is not viable?



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Posted 06 August 2019 - 07:48 AM

There are already a couple of well corrected 8x30 porro prisms available. But a 6x30 with a 9.3 field would be a real treat! I think the 6x30 is the right choice until you can bring something extra to the 8x30 market.

 

Best and thanks for your work,

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Posted 06 August 2019 - 10:15 AM

the 15 % on the 8 x 30 troubles me enough to stay away from it. I am sure it will sell and many people will love it, but I want for APM something better, please understand


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Posted 06 August 2019 - 11:06 AM

the 15 % on the 8 x 30 troubles me enough to stay away from it. I am sure it will sell and many people will love it, but I want for APM something better, please understand

I think this is extremely wise of you. For me, your brand represents quality at a great price point. If you start to slide on quality then you’d just be competing on price. That’s not a happy place right now unless you’re oozing excess capital. Plus, I don’t see you as the type of person who’s happy offering less than quality to your customers. Hope we see the 6x30 soon!

 

Best,

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Posted 06 August 2019 - 03:01 PM

the 15 % on the 8 x 30 troubles me enough to stay away from it. I am sure it will sell and many people will love it, but I want for APM something better, please understand

Completely understand. Thanks for the update.



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Posted 09 August 2019 - 03:30 PM

Markus,

So it sounds like you're moving ahead with the 6X30--with center focus, but you're going to ask for a few modifications to improve the eyecups and hopefully the eye relief.  Sounds good.  I'm pretty sure I will want to order one so keep us posted as this develops and you get to the point where they are available for ordering.

 

Thanks,

Dave



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Posted 14 August 2019 - 07:20 AM

Dave

 

the eyerelief can be increased by 2 to 3 mm, if I accept new nearfocus of only 6 meters, I think that should be acceptable compromiss , right ?



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Posted 14 August 2019 - 02:29 PM

Markus, I thought you had decided on center-focus to appeal to daytime users of such binoculars.

But a 6m close focus would more or less kill that idea, I believe.



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Posted 14 August 2019 - 11:14 PM

Good point... A lot of daytime users might want to try to focus on something closer than 6 meters. 

 

I'm a little surprised that getting long eye relief requires a big compromise in close focus in a binocular with a 5mm exit pupil... 

 

But center focus is still really nice to have in any small hand held pair of binoculars, even a binocular with poor close focus.

 

As I wear eyeglasses, if I had to choose between comfortable eye relief and close focusing ability, I would take the more comfortable eye relief.

 

And even if the close focus is not great, I remain interested in a high quality 6X30 porro prism binocular with center focus, simply because there will be nothing else like it...  There are almost no high quality porro prism binoculars with center focus left in any configuration, let alone a 6X design.

 

Dave


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Posted 16 August 2019 - 03:42 AM

with current eye-relief close focus is 3.5 meter



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Posted 16 August 2019 - 11:21 AM

Markus, am I right in my assumption that the majority of your customers are astro users? In my opinion close focus is a bonus, however of less importance than eye relief to your customer base.

 

I have no preference for either eye relief or close focus. Better for me would be wider FOV at the expense of eye relief/close focus laugh.gif

 

Very much looking forward to getting my hands on these regardless of finalised specs, 6x30’s for astro use will be a really nice complement to my other equipment. 



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Posted 17 August 2019 - 10:37 AM

Markus,

Originally you said of the 6x30 prototype, "the eyelens is sitting to deep in the mechanics" and that you would ask if it is possible "to remove some mechanical material to gain a bit more eyerelief."  That might be the best path forward, even if it requires more time...

 

But regardless I'll just repeat that I'm glad you are trying to offer a high quality, small, hand-holdable center-focus porro prism binocular!  The mid-range and high-end binocular world has gone roof prism crazy!  So take your time and try to get it right.

 

Dave



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Posted 17 August 2019 - 10:46 AM

PS. 

Someday if you figure out how to make the 8X30 with "something extra" and you think you might offer it, compare what you produce to the Nikon SE 8X32.  The Nikon SE's were very nicely designed center-focus porros, sadly no longer available.  I think the SE 8X32 was probably the best porro prism 8X32 ever made...   But they were first offered ~20 years ago, so for 2 decades since that time, it seems that nobody has really tried to match the SE or improve on it.


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