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#76 APM M.Ludes

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Posted 18 August 2019 - 10:23 AM

my problem here is they do not build what I want , they build something, send it to me for testing and I say I like this and do not like that. Than they try to make things better what IO do not like, but they do not agree to rebuild it total, because the spend already to much money on tooling the prototype


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Posted 18 August 2019 - 01:45 PM

my problem here is they do not build what I want , they build something, send it to me for testing and I say I like this and do not like that. Than they try to make things better what IO do not like, but they do not agree to rebuild it total, because the spend already to much money on tooling the prototype

Seems to me to be a pretty backwards business model. undecided.gif (not you, but them) First build a prototype and THEN ask the customer, what he wants, and then spend money on fixing problems that didn't need to be problems in the first place. If we did that in the company, where I work, we would soon be out of business. 

 

 

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Posted 18 August 2019 - 03:47 PM

It seems to me that this new 30mm is based on the 50 and 70mm versions that came before it. The price point determines the amount of development that can be invested in a new model. If the price rises too high then the risk of not selling enough also rises. Somewhere in the middle is the compromise that works for all parties involved, the manufacturer, the dealer and the purchaser. 



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Posted 18 August 2019 - 10:04 PM

Yes I think I understand Markus' situation; I was thinking the same thing...  There are limits to what he is able to do. 

 

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Posted 28 August 2019 - 03:05 PM

Hi Guys

 

we have some very warm and wonderful nights here at my dark home in north-east germany.

i have spend several nights now with the 6 x 30 and 8 x 30 and Japanese competition.

 

 

 

the 6 x 30 acts like a image stabilized binocular sharp almost all over the field.

 

the 8 x 30 sucks not only on edge performance which decrease the useful FOV much 

but also shakes in the hand to much for perfect view

 

The 6 x 30 is a wonderful binocular and I live it more and more and that's why it is my way to go.

 

if there is a Bino Guru here at CN who like to get it in hands , test it and report about it as a kind of review

please get in touch with me and I send it to you

 

cheers


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Posted 29 August 2019 - 12:14 AM

Hi Guys

 

we have some very warm and wonderful nights here at my dark home in north-east germany.

i have spend several nights now with the 6 x 30 and 8 x 30 and Japanese competition.

 

 

 

the 6 x 30 acts like a image stabilized binocular sharp almost all over the field.

 

the 8 x 30 sucks not only on edge performance which decrease the useful FOV much 

but also shakes in the hand to much for perfect view

 

The 6 x 30 is a wonderful binocular and I live it more and more and that's why it is my way to go.

 

if there is a Bino Guru here at CN who like to get it in hands , test it and report about it as a kind of review

please get in touch with me and I send it to you

 

cheers

 

Hi Markus,

I am happy to do a detailed review if you want.

Best regards.

Pinac


Edited by Pinac, 29 August 2019 - 01:49 AM.

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Posted 29 August 2019 - 12:50 AM

the 8 x 30 sucks not only on edge performance which decrease the useful FOV much 

but also shakes in the hand to much for perfect view

 

OK, scratch the 8x30 then!

 

But the 6x30 IS more interesting anyway. More useful IMHO for scanning the skies, with a 5mm exit pupil, low enough magnification to avoid the shakes and a wide TFOV. 


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Posted 29 August 2019 - 02:09 AM

I will send Pinac the 6 x and 8 x 30 to post his opinion


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Posted 29 August 2019 - 02:11 AM

I have Visionking 5x25 binos and view is really stable at such low magnification. The only problem is that they are quite big for their parameters and they have poor coatings. 

Better quality 6x30 is really interesting if the price isn't premium ;) 



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Posted 29 August 2019 - 04:31 PM

Sign me up for 6X30 Markus. Add pre-order option if possible.



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Posted 29 August 2019 - 11:54 PM

Same here re signing-up. If the price is right, a 6x30 with a massive FOV would be a ton of fun :)



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Posted 30 August 2019 - 03:25 AM

who ever want to sign up

 

send me by email to : anfrage@apm-telescopes.de

 

your sign up request with address

 

thanks a lot



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Posted 01 September 2019 - 02:21 PM

Done - email sent. Thanks Markus.



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Posted 02 September 2019 - 11:18 AM

Here they are!

 

They look neat smile.gif (I mean that positively), a bit like the Nikon E II.

 

I think Markus hadn't posted pictures of the central focus version yet, so I attach pics.

 

The immediate impression is positive. I will write a more detailed review and post it before mid month.

 

rgds Pinac

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Posted 02 September 2019 - 11:33 AM

who ever want to sign up

 

send me by email to : anfrage@apm-telescopes.de

 

your sign up request with address

 

thanks a lot

Markus,

 

I took the liberty of editing your post to correct the email, as the .de part was missing ;)



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Posted 03 September 2019 - 01:30 PM

6x30 doesn't say "ED"...?  Maybe just because it is a prototype, or maybe not needed at the lower power?

 

Thanks for posting the photos Pinac.  I agree they look very nice!  I'll be interested to hear your impressions on the eye relief of the 6X30 with glasses (if you can), and also your perception of edge sharpness / size of the sweet spot, both in daytime and astronomy use.

 

Dave


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Posted 03 September 2019 - 02:01 PM

the 6 x 30 is NOT ED, at this low power it really does not need ED



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Posted 11 September 2019 - 03:03 AM

https://www.cloudyni...ars-prototypes/

 

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Posted 16 September 2019 - 07:38 AM

Hi Markus

 

Have you had enough time and input to go back to manufacturer for comments/potential adjustments?

 

Are there any changes you have decided on?



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Posted 16 September 2019 - 03:50 PM

Ricky

 

the nearfocus get worse and we increase eyerelief by 2 to 3 mm , thats all changes they agree to make without to deep impact


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Posted 16 September 2019 - 04:25 PM

Good news, that should mean production/delivery can start in the not too distant future smile.gif



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Posted 16 September 2019 - 04:26 PM

What the planned price for the 6x30's?



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Posted 18 September 2019 - 03:32 PM

$ 175



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Posted 19 September 2019 - 12:03 AM

$ 175

 

Sounds great - available before Christmas ??



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Posted 04 October 2019 - 10:36 PM

Just emailed signing up for the 6x30


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