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#76 rolo

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Posted 29 October 2018 - 03:41 PM

Just waiting for a good first light. Last night the atmosphere was about a "0" at best. Saturn was swimming in turbulence and Mars looked like you were viewing through a waterfall. My usual land targets look fantastic, reminds me of the Questar field model. Hopefully tonight will have better seeing conditions. 

 

Its a nice small compact little scope that's very easy to use. I really can't say anything bad about it and for $85 including the shipping how can you go wrong?


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Posted 29 October 2018 - 03:46 PM

Hino / Mizar made the 2045, and all those blue-tube refractors with the Meade labels -- EXCEPT for the transitional blues with the Towa 339 focusers, adapted from .965" to 1.25" format...

Thanks. Do you know if Hino/Mizar offered their own version of this scope?


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Posted 29 October 2018 - 04:22 PM

Back to "badly done" DPAC for a moment. Look for "keystoning" - the lines appear to be evenly distorted, like a box that appears to be "trapezoidal".

 

This means the grating/objective/LED/camera aren't lined up. You can still interpret the test correctly, taking that into account.

 

Only gets to be a problem for small f/, where a nonlinear effect messes things up a bit.



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Posted 29 October 2018 - 05:52 PM

Thanks. Do you know if Hino/Mizar offered their own version of this scope?

There is a member here from Europe who has a 2045 and a 2080, both with Mizar labels on them (and grey tubes, IIRC).  Mizar made the first 2080s, until meade got an optical shop running.  The 2045s were all made by Mizar, though.  

 

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Posted 29 October 2018 - 05:54 PM

Just waiting for a good first light. Last night the atmosphere was about a "0" at best. Saturn was swimming in turbulence and Mars looked like you were viewing through a waterfall. My usual land targets look fantastic, reminds me of the Questar field model. Hopefully tonight will have better seeing conditions. 

 

Its a nice small compact little scope that's very easy to use. I really can't say anything bad about it and for $85 including the shipping how can you go wrong?

If it's as good as mine was you will be shocked. I tried to rig it up with a Polaris mount when i had mine back around 1998.


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Posted 29 October 2018 - 05:55 PM

There is a member here from Europe who has a 2045 and a 2080, both with Mizar labels on them (and grey tubes, IIRC).  Mizar made the first 2080s, until meade got an optical shop running.  The 2045s were all made by Mizar, though.  

 

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I have never owned a one arm deal 2045 that Meade first sold around 1981.



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Posted 29 October 2018 - 05:56 PM

I think the one armed version came later.  The first ones were double armed, and the prototypes were purple, not blue.  One showed up here several years ago.

 

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Posted 29 October 2018 - 06:21 PM

Here it is in my 1980 Meade Catalog.  I don't know if i ever saw a used one for sale. Plus it called a 2000.

 

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Posted 29 October 2018 - 06:42 PM

There is a member here from Europe who has a 2045 and a 2080, both with Mizar labels on them (and grey tubes, IIRC).  Mizar made the first 2080s, until meade got an optical shop running.  The 2045s were all made by Mizar, though.  

 

-Tim.

 

I recall seeing the "Mizar" 2080 pics, but never a Mizar 2045.  However, the Mizar White tube 2080s actually have another plaque that says Made in USA. So I'm unconvinced Mizar made the 2045, and I'm pretty certain they didn't make the 2080s.  More likely they sold a few of the US made 2080s under the Mizar brand in Japan.

 

I remember your saying you saw 4 inch prototypes at Meade from an unknown source in Japan but no 8 inchers.

 

Knowing Meade's relationship with Towa, and how similarly the 2045's OTA construction is to the Towa MMC-80S, I think its more likely that Towa made the 4" SCTs.  Anyone with hard evidence otherwise is welcome to disprove me.

 

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Posted 29 October 2018 - 08:41 PM

I think the one armed version came later. The first ones were double armed, and the prototypes were purple, not blue. One showed up here several years ago.

-tim.

It's the other way around. The one armed 2040 came first with a 2044 later. The forked 2045 came out still later, culminating with the forked 2045/LX3.

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Posted 29 October 2018 - 09:34 PM

I sit corrected!

 

Actually, when I walked into that storeroom by mistake, there were a couple each of the 4" and 8" models in there, all in purple tubes.



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Posted 29 October 2018 - 09:41 PM

First Light

 

I'll keep simple and short.I put the scope on camera tripod and set it outside to cool down for approx. one hour. Went out around 9:20 and observed for 30 min or so.

Saturn was too low so mars was it. The seeing was better tonight but more like a slow boil then rapid turbulence.  I didn't bother with low powers since mars is so small now 12.1 arc seconds. First the 10mm Clave at 100x small but sharp and focus snap (if that means anything) was very pronounced. Then the 7mm Nagler, very sharp edge, some surface markings and a tiny white spot for the polar cap. Then the 5mm Nagler at 200x and it remained very sharp despites the slow boiling atmosphere. Surface markings were more obvious and it looked there's a dark area at the edge of the polar cap, like eyeliner. That's 50x per inch on an SCT and the view just got better as I increased the power from 100x to 200x. As silly as it may sound, the view reminded me of the little Questar 3.5.

 

The double double was clearly split with a tiny diffraction ring and them. M57 was easily seen as a ring in the 15 Wide angle TV. My favorite was the double cluster with the Meade 24.5mm Superwide at 41x...awesome view and sharp to the edge.

 

Star test on Altair was excellent better than many SCT's I've tested and there have many. I was impressed with this little SCT. May be the best $85 I spent on a scope.

 

Too bad Jupiter is not around. With better seeing conditions and as bright as Jupiter is it should be nice view. So, is this little SCT a good one? Without a shadow of a doubt!

 

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Posted 30 October 2018 - 03:33 AM

Please keep your observing reports coming, rolo. It makes me enjoy my own astro-version 2045 even more!

 

My miniature Meade SCT displays a round Airy disk at 500X, and splitting Eta Orionis the other night was duck soup, even with crummy seeing.

 

Saturn was absolutely beautiful a couple of months back, and it outdid my outstanding Brandon 3 Inch, F15 refractor on this celestial wonder. The image was a lot brighter, too.

 

I am fortunate enough to own some wonderful telescopes, including the Tak FS-102NSV I just picked up. But the stellar optics of my tiddly Meade 2045 telescope sometime make me wonder if I really need anything else!

 

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Posted 30 October 2018 - 05:12 AM

 

First Light

 

I'll keep simple and short.I put the scope on camera tripod and set it outside to cool down for approx. one hour. Went out around 9:20 and observed for 30 min or so.

Saturn was too low so mars was it. The seeing was better tonight but more like a slow boil then rapid turbulence.  I didn't bother with low powers since mars is so small now 12.1 arc seconds. First the 10mm Clave at 100x small but sharp and focus snap (if that means anything) was very pronounced. Then the 7mm Nagler, very sharp edge, some surface markings and a tiny white spot for the polar cap. Then the 5mm Nagler at 200x and it remained very sharp despites the slow boiling atmosphere. Surface markings were more obvious and it looked there's a dark area at the edge of the polar cap, like eyeliner. That's 50x per inch on an SCT and the view just got better as I increased the power from 100x to 200x. As silly as it may sound, the view reminded me of the little Questar 3.5.

 

The double double was clearly split with a tiny diffraction ring and them. M57 was easily seen as a ring in the 15 Wide angle TV. My favorite was the double cluster with the Meade 24.5mm Superwide at 41x...awesome view and sharp to the edge.

 

Star test on Altair was excellent better than many SCT's I've tested and there have many. I was impressed with this little SCT. May be the best $85 I spent on a scope.

 

Too bad Jupiter is not around. With better seeing conditions and as bright as Jupiter is it should be nice view. So, is this little SCT a good one? Without a shadow of a doubt!

 

I can tell ya my spotter snapped on stars at high power chap.  It was every bit as good as a sharp ETX lex.


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Posted 30 October 2018 - 05:25 AM

Do you know if Hino/Mizar offered their own version of this scope?

 

I haven't seen a Mizar-branded 2045.

 

On my PC I have good primary evidence that Mizar made the 2045.  I think it was also mentioned on one of the Dynamax threads that B&L (and maybe Criterion) got Mizar to make the optics for the DX4 -- or at least the correctors -- but my old brain may be jumbling some stuff.

 

Meade switched from white-tube Towa fracs (including the mighty 4" UniClone), to blue tube Mizar, with a brief period of blue tube Towa 80mm F11 fracs with that goofy modded long Towa focuser converted to 1.25" accessories...



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Posted 30 October 2018 - 06:58 AM

I can tell ya my spotter snapped on stars at high power chap.  It was every bit as good as a sharp ETX lex.

This maybe the perfect scope for my 7 year old granddaughter. I can mount it on an EQ3 I have laying around and put a battery powered RA drive, Clive. I guess you were right Dwight.


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Posted 30 October 2018 - 07:03 AM

Please keep your observing reports coming, rolo. It makes me enjoy my own astro-version 2045 even more!

 

My miniature Meade SCT displays a round Airy disk at 500X, and splitting Eta Orionis the other night was duck soup, even with crummy seeing.

 

Saturn was absolutely beautiful a couple of months back, and it outdid my outstanding Brandon 3 Inch, F15 refractor on this celestial wonder. The image was a lot brighter, too.

 

I am fortunately enough to own some wonderful telescopes, including the Tak FS-102NSV I just picked up. But the stellar optics of my tiddly Meade 2045 telescope sometime make me wonder if I really need anything else!

 

Steve

All I did was a quick view standing up with the scope on a Gitzo tripod. With good seeing, on a small driven EQ and sitting down at the eyepiece it would be that much better. I really wasn't expecting much so its been a pleasant surprise. I could tell the first time I used it on my usual land subjects that it was good. Everything else just confirmed it.waytogo.gif


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Posted 30 October 2018 - 09:09 AM

Thanks to Rolo and others who put this thread back on track. I had little hope for that several pages ago!


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Posted 30 October 2018 - 11:32 AM

Also make a decent 1000mm f/10 Telephoto lens....

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Posted 30 October 2018 - 01:29 PM

I'm feeling the love, now!flowerred.gif


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Posted 30 October 2018 - 02:45 PM

I would hate to think my little dynamo is a Towa. frown.gif

 

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Posted 30 October 2018 - 02:54 PM

Great thread, very informative. Bought my 2045 in 1982 to have a travel scope on a car camping trip from Alaska to Florida. It served me well since then as a photo guide scope alongside my TV Genesis, nature scope/telephoto, and white light solar observing. Only reason it hasn't got more general astro use is I don't have a good tripod for the forked mount. The mount is of excellent quality and design. It's handy how easy it is to remove the OTA and use it on a camera tripod. After reading the posts on this thread I'll keep a look out for a better tripod or pier with wedge.
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Posted 30 October 2018 - 04:04 PM

The helical focuser on the 1020 is fast, thus very coarse.  Focusing is practically a crap shoot, but shots are sharp when you nail the focus.

 

It's been 9 years since I last used the 1020 as a lens, since it's so impractical.  I've recently converted it to a travel scope by slapping a VB, Celestron 8-24mm Zoom and tabletop tripod to it.  Nothing beats whipping a scope out of the trunk and showing the wonders of the sky to friends who don't own a telescope.  Double double split, hints of Cassini div are all doable at the 8mm end on a good night.  But because roughly 20% of my primary is showing some oxidation, contrast suffers a bit.  Focusing is still a chore with the helical focuser.  I would say my tack sharp US made ETX125-EC is a tad sharper, but the 1020 is still sharp in my book. 

 

 

These pics were taken 9 years ago.  JPEGs straight out of the camera.  Planes were 11088 feet (2.1 miles) away.

 

 

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Posted 30 October 2018 - 04:52 PM

Those are some nice shots, really sharp too. waytogo.gif



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Posted 30 October 2018 - 04:55 PM

Great thread, very informative. Bought my 2045 in 1982 to have a travel scope on a car camping trip from Alaska to Florida. It served me well since then as a photo guide scope alongside my TV Genesis, nature scope/telephoto, and white light solar observing. Only reason it hasn't got more general astro use is I don't have a good tripod for the forked mount. The mount is of excellent quality and design. It's handy how easy it is to remove the OTA and use it on a camera tripod. After reading the posts on this thread I'll keep a look out for a better tripod or pier with wedge.
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I think this one merits a driven fork or single arm mount. I'll find one eventually. This one works pretty good too.

 

scope $85, mount $25, views priceless!

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