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#226 tony_spina

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Posted 08 December 2021 - 12:45 AM

I'm using .965 takahashi MC orthos 7 9 and 18mm and a hi ortho 4mm 

also .965 vixen 5mm ortho

 

the vixen is prone to very slight ghosting on bright objects not so the MC taks.  All very sharp eyepieces.  

How do you like the Tak MC 9mm?  Still looking for one. Keep missing it when it rarely comes up in the classifieds 



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Posted 19 December 2021 - 12:42 PM

I own several Swift eyepieces I got with my 839, which I haven't used as they appear in not so great condition, but are stored in the original box.

 

But... this year I bought a Zeiss 0.965" 25mm Huygens, which I use in a 1.25"-to-0.965" adapter and it is such a great eyepiece! Used it in both my Swift scopes and in my 100mm Tak too. In fact I reach for it as my starter eyepiece about as many times as my ES 24mm now. It is just So Sharp!

 

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Posted 12 January 2022 - 12:52 PM

IIRC*, these 2 mint .965" Kellners came with my KDS-63/800:

 

 

2 x 965 Kellners S01 - Vixen 20 Kenko 10.jpg 2 x 965 Kellners S02 - Vixen 20 Kenko 10.jpg 2 x 965 Kellners S03 - Vixen 20 Kenko 10.jpg 2 x 965 Kellners S04 - Vixen 20 Kenko 10.jpg

 

The Vixen 20mm has its original caps.  The Kenko doesn't.  It resembles the 1.25" units that came with my Bushnell Banner 1000 and my Pentax J-60.  Both are mid-1980s.

 

Glass looks perfect.  But, what about the optical quality??  Hopefully, I'll test that in my Vixen 60/700, Kenko GS-540, and Mizar Comet the next clear night.  IF they are Keepers...  I gotta get a new & larger .965" eyepiece case -- it's already packed full.  Think it's tough finding these dinky eyepieces?  Finding a case that'll work is even harder!  (I'm picky about cases -- they have to be rugged, water / moisture tight, and securely hold each EP.)

 

* Yeah, I bought so much stuff in DEC that I really can't recall what came with which!!


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Posted 12 January 2022 - 03:40 PM

Hmm, not sure which sectiin to post in, but have a 60's 9te-5 Tasco, and have lost the rear collar. Does anyone know where I can source one thanks!

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Posted 12 January 2022 - 03:59 PM

 I gotta get a new & larger .965" eyepiece case -- it's already packed full.  Think it's tough finding these dinky eyepieces?  Finding a case that'll work is even harder!  (I'm picky about cases -- they have to be rugged, water / moisture tight, and securely hold each EP.)

Or build one:

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Posted 12 January 2022 - 04:56 PM

Or build one:

Very Nice!  Nope... I have no wood-working skills -- at all.  I can mod something already made, but that's the extent of it.

 

I like this Seahorse model:  https://www.amazon.c...564255279&psc=1

 

I could get everything in the one case -- Barlows & Filters + eyepieces.  Or, I could do like my 1.25" stuff, and split them between 2 smaller cases (standard & Fancy)...

 

I wore out the Huge Orion rugged case that carried a ton of stuff.  It was water & air tight (had a "relief" valve!

 

I've given away dozens of 965 EPs, and yet they multiply -- they must be doing Naughty Things out there in the shed...


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Posted 13 January 2022 - 08:07 PM

I don't have any pictures but I'm using my .965" Carl Zeiss Jena Orthos in my classic long focus 60mm & 80mm achromats from the 1960's and early 1970's on nights of above average seeing. I don't believe they're obsolete but vintage eyepieces that have withstood the test of time. I use them often along with my modern day 1.25" eyepieces, of which I have a minimalist set.


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Posted 19 January 2022 - 07:48 PM

I don't have any photos but I have the full set of Antares .965 Plossl's and to my surprise they work very well.  I originally just had the bodies but Sheldon Faworski machined barrels for them for me.  I also use the .965 EP'S that came with my 6335 Sears.  The 20mm Kellner is especially nice.


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Posted 19 January 2022 - 08:15 PM

Have been reading through this thread with interest, and I thought I would post a little bit about my own .965 eyepieces.

 

My first .965 eyepieces came with a 40-year old Vixen 60/f15 scope I picked up (about a year ago). The scope came with a nice little set: a 25mm and a 20mm Kellner, a 20mm and a 12.5 HMs, and a 9mm and a 7mm Ortho.  I tried them out a bit after I got them but I didn’t really use them much, because I preferred the more comfortable views on 1.25 EPs like the Paradigm EDs.

 

I recently came across a partial set of .965 Takahashi MC Orthos, 18mm, 12.5mm, 7mm, and these have re-sparked my interest in .965 EPs.

 

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All the Vixens, except for the 10mm Kellner came with the 60mm scope.

 

I have spent the last few weeks using all the .965 EPs on doubles in Cassiopeia, Andromeda, Aries, and Pisces. It has been a good learning experience, and the views have been surprisingly (to me!) nice. The Tak MC Orthos have been the best of the bunch. The differences between these and the Vixen Orthos are small and subtle, but the views through the Tak MCs just seem sharper and brighter with higher contrast. They have even given me better views than my 1.25 EPs (mostly Vixen NLVs, and Paradigms).

 

The surprise among the EPs has been the 10mm Kellner. Again, it is subtle, but this EP is surprisingly bright and sharp, and show good colors in doubles. Almost as good as the Taks, and, to my eyes, better than the Vixen Orthos. Last night, I stopped down my 80mm/f11, to 46.5mm and tried to split Rigel. Through the 10mm Rigel was a wondrous, bright, perfect disc with the tiny secondary just below. Here, the 10mm outperformed even the Tak 7mm, where the disc just didn’t seem as sharp – a little rough around the edges)

 

As one of the previous posters mentioned, the HMs do help bring out some dimmer stars, but for me, the eye relief on the HMs is rather tight and they are not so comfortable - the 20mm feels tighter than the Tak 7mm even.


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Posted 20 January 2022 - 08:20 AM

Have been reading through this thread with interest, and I thought I would post a little bit about my own .965 eyepieces.

 

My first .965 eyepieces came with a 40-year old Vixen 60/f15 scope I picked up (about a year ago). The scope came with a nice little set: a 25mm and a 20mm Kellner, a 20mm and a 12.5 HMs, and a 9mm and a 7mm Ortho.  I tried them out a bit after I got them but I didn’t really use them much, because I preferred the more comfortable views on 1.25 EPs like the Paradigm EDs.

 

I recently came across a partial set of .965 Takahashi MC Orthos, 18mm, 12.5mm, 7mm, and these have re-sparked my interest in .965 EPs.

 

attachicon.gif.0965 EPs_cropped.JPG

 

All the Vixens, except for the 10mm Kellner came with the 60mm scope.

 

I have spent the last few weeks using all the .965 EPs on doubles in Cassiopeia, Andromeda, Aries, and Pisces. It has been a good learning experience, and the views have been surprisingly (to me!) nice. The Tak MC Orthos have been the best of the bunch. The differences between these and the Vixen Orthos are small and subtle, but the views through the Tak MCs just seem sharper and brighter with higher contrast. They have even given me better views than my 1.25 EPs (mostly Vixen NLVs, and Paradigms).

 

The surprise among the EPs has been the 10mm Kellner. Again, it is subtle, but this EP is surprisingly bright and sharp, and show good colors in doubles. Almost as good as the Taks, and, to my eyes, better than the Vixen Orthos. Last night, I stopped down my 80mm/f11, to 46.5mm and tried to split Rigel. Through the 10mm Rigel was a wondrous, bright, perfect disc with the tiny secondary just below. Here, the 10mm outperformed even the Tak 7mm, where the disc just didn’t seem as sharp – a little rough around the edges)

 

As one of the previous posters mentioned, the HMs do help bring out some dimmer stars, but for me, the eye relief on the HMs is rather tight and they are not so comfortable - the 20mm feels tighter than the Tak 7mm even.

Looks like you are enjoying your  0.965 eyepieces. Nice photo

 

I agree that the Takahashi MC Orthos are really nice eyepieces.  I use them often on tight doubles.  I find that they scatter less then most 0.965 eyepieces which is a must on observing tight doubles with dim secondaries 


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Posted 20 January 2022 - 12:17 PM

There's a lot of nice photos of interesting eyepieces in this thread. I have had my share of basic 0.965" eyepieces including the very first eyepiece I ever owned.  It was some sort of a 2 element brass eyepiece with 2 lenses, they was a small knurled ring that held the lenses in place.  It came with my first scope, a long focal length 60mm refractor that I had purchased at a garage sale for $5... My only eyepiece, no finder..  Somehow I was able to stumble upon the Orion Nebula and as they say, the rest is history..  I think I only have one 0.965" eyepiece left, I have given the rest away.  Those colored eyepiece sets like those that came with the Sears scopes, there is a place in my heart for them.. 

 

But I wanted to share a picture of my last 0.965" eyepiece.. It's quite rare.. The photo also includes a 1.25 inch Plossl and a 2 inch WideField for comparison.  And I hope everyone is ready for a bit of levity.. 

 

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Posted 20 January 2022 - 03:24 PM

There's a lot of nice photos of interesting eyepieces in this thread. I have had my share of basic 0.965" eyepieces including the very first eyepiece I ever owned.  It was some sort of a 2 element brass eyepiece with 2 lenses, they was a small knurled ring that held the lenses in place.  It came with my first scope, a long focal length 60mm refractor that I had purchased at a garage sale for $5... My only eyepiece, no finder..  Somehow I was able to stumble upon the Orion Nebula and as they say, the rest is history..  I think I only have one 0.965" eyepiece left, I have given the rest away.  Those colored eyepiece sets like those that came with the Sears scopes, there is a place in my heart for them.. 

 

But I wanted to share a picture of my last 0.965" eyepiece.. It's quite rare.. The photo also includes a 1.25 inch Plossl and a 2 inch WideField for comparison.  And I hope everyone is ready for a bit of levity.. 

 

attachicon.gifWide fields with shrunk 31mm - 1.jpg

 

Jon

I posted a comical (real) pic of my 40mm 2" Meade SWA (a true monster), a 40mm 1.25" Meade Plossl (a great great eyepiece), and a 40mm .965 Meade MA (another favorite - they all are). I wish i could find it! I think the SWA weighed 30x as much as the MA. All three are absolute favorites! The classic makers should have included a 40mm or at least a 32mm Kellner with their long scopes. There is something wonderful about popping in that 40mm MA into a classic, with its soda-straw FOV (the field stop is more or less the barrel) but ultra-sharp performance and superior brightness across the field. It was the eyepiece I was missing as a kid with a 6344, where the lowest possible power was via the supplied 22mm Kellner. The sight of tiny Saturn in that 40mm in my RAO 90mm f/16 is just wonderful.

 

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Posted 20 January 2022 - 03:29 PM

Have been reading through this thread with interest, and I thought I would post a little bit about my own .965 eyepieces.

 

My first .965 eyepieces came with a 40-year old Vixen 60/f15 scope I picked up (about a year ago). The scope came with a nice little set: a 25mm and a 20mm Kellner, a 20mm and a 12.5 HMs, and a 9mm and a 7mm Ortho.  I tried them out a bit after I got them but I didn’t really use them much, because I preferred the more comfortable views on 1.25 EPs like the Paradigm EDs.

 

I recently came across a partial set of .965 Takahashi MC Orthos, 18mm, 12.5mm, 7mm, and these have re-sparked my interest in .965 EPs.

 

attachicon.gif.0965 EPs_cropped.JPG

 

All the Vixens, except for the 10mm Kellner came with the 60mm scope.

 

I have spent the last few weeks using all the .965 EPs on doubles in Cassiopeia, Andromeda, Aries, and Pisces. It has been a good learning experience, and the views have been surprisingly (to me!) nice. The Tak MC Orthos have been the best of the bunch. The differences between these and the Vixen Orthos are small and subtle, but the views through the Tak MCs just seem sharper and brighter with higher contrast. They have even given me better views than my 1.25 EPs (mostly Vixen NLVs, and Paradigms).

 

The surprise among the EPs has been the 10mm Kellner. Again, it is subtle, but this EP is surprisingly bright and sharp, and show good colors in doubles. Almost as good as the Taks, and, to my eyes, better than the Vixen Orthos. Last night, I stopped down my 80mm/f11, to 46.5mm and tried to split Rigel. Through the 10mm Rigel was a wondrous, bright, perfect disc with the tiny secondary just below. Here, the 10mm outperformed even the Tak 7mm, where the disc just didn’t seem as sharp – a little rough around the edges)

 

As one of the previous posters mentioned, the HMs do help bring out some dimmer stars, but for me, the eye relief on the HMs is rather tight and they are not so comfortable - the 20mm feels tighter than the Tak 7mm even.

Absolutely! I am always amazed by how bright and sharp are my .965 Kellners. They are superb planetary eyepieces.

 

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Posted 20 January 2022 - 03:59 PM

Not seen here - my ALL METAL hybrid 1.25/.965" prism diagonal (a wonderful work) - my 25mm Celestron Ortho (great eyepiece), my many Hs and HMs, some of which are very good, some of which are total dogs! I can carry these and almost all my other working .965s in the cardboard box in which came my Meade LPI with my SN10 telescope (departed to a happier life in imaging). I am not an eyepiece hoarder, but even so, my 1.25" and 2" eyepieces need 4 hard carry cases to tote around.
 

 

ALL of these eyepieces give outstanding performance in slow telescopes. The 40mm MA is a wonderfully weird eyepiece. The 18mm K is the soul of perfection. Same for the 6mm Ortho.

 

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Posted 21 January 2022 - 12:15 AM

Looks like you are enjoying your  0.965 eyepieces. Nice photo

 

I agree that the Takahashi MC Orthos are really nice eyepieces.  I use them often on tight doubles.  I find that they scatter less then most 0.965 eyepieces which is a must on observing tight doubles with dim secondaries 

Thank you. Yes, I have been enjoying them a lot.

 

The Tak MCs have been a wonder to me! I really enjoy double stars, and the sharpness and color saturation I have gotten with the Tak MCs has been much better than my 1.25 EPs.

 

The other night I tried splitting epsilon Ari (Sep 1.4) with my 80/f11. I wasn't able to get a clear split, but barlowing the 7mm MC Ortho, I swear I saw a think line between them! I have never been able to split much tighter than 1.8, such as alpha Pis, before.


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Posted 21 January 2022 - 12:19 AM

Absolutely! I am always amazed by how bright and sharp are my .965 Kellners. They are superb planetary eyepieces.

 

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I am keeping my eyes out for some more .965 Kellners. Longer FLs - 20 or 25 - come up for sale quite often here in Japan, but I don't see shorter FL Kellners very much. Maybe I missed it before, but what .965 Kellners are you using for planets?



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Posted 21 January 2022 - 09:25 AM

I sold this set here last year:

(Top left is the 40mm K, right is the 18mm K).

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Posted 21 January 2022 - 11:07 AM

Here I have two pairs of Pentax SMC O-12mm and O-18mm shown with two different 1.25" adapters.

During last Mars opposition I compared the O-18's with ZAO-I 16mm in pairs with my long focus Maksutov, the O-18 was every bit as fine as the ZAO 16mm despite a slight power difference (277x vs 312x).

The O-12 is one of the sharpest eyepieces in my collection, I use this pair primarily for the Moon with my 6" F9 refractor.

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Posted 21 January 2022 - 02:06 PM

Thank you. Yes, I have been enjoying them a lot.

 

The Tak MCs have been a wonder to me! I really enjoy double stars, and the sharpness and color saturation I have gotten with the Tak MCs has been much better than my 1.25 EPs.

 

The other night I tried splitting epsilon Ari (Sep 1.4) with my 80/f11. I wasn't able to get a clear split, but barlowing the 7mm MC Ortho, I swear I saw a think line between them! I have never been able to split much tighter than 1.8, such as alpha Pis, before.

You really see the penalty paid in image vividness when you compare modern multi-element eyepieces to Kellners in a long scope. I also think eye relief plays a big role - the comfort of the Kellner helps you settle into seeing the target. Having to hold your head just so at the exit pupil always seems to rob me of the attention needed for close observing.

 

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Posted 21 January 2022 - 02:21 PM

I am keeping my eyes out for some more .965 Kellners. Longer FLs - 20 or 25 - come up for sale quite often here in Japan, but I don't see shorter FL Kellners very much. Maybe I missed it before, but what .965 Kellners are you using for planets?

The Meade MA design is really a Kellner with possibly some variation in the formula to move the field stop farther away from the field lens. The metal ones can be trusted in my experience. There are junk ones too, plastic body and acrylic field lens, supplied with department store scopes - those are to be avoided! The good ones are fairly common. The 9mm is my weakest but still a fine eyepiece. Eye relief becomes a pain around there. Kellners work very well with Barlows too. Modern widefield eyepieces often suffer with Barlows because they already ARE Barlowed. A favorite setup for me is the 2x Barlow + 12mm MA - great lunar views with enormous eye relief.

 

University Optics used to sell an entire line of Kellners, those are very good ("volcano" tops). Below 9mm an Ortho is preferred.

 

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Posted 21 January 2022 - 09:22 PM

The Meade MA design is really a Kellner with possibly some variation in the formula to move the field stop farther away from the field lens. The metal ones can be trusted in my experience. There are junk ones too, plastic body and acrylic field lens, supplied with department store scopes - those are to be avoided! The good ones are fairly common. The 9mm is my weakest but still a fine eyepiece. Eye relief becomes a pain around there. Kellners work very well with Barlows too. Modern widefield eyepieces often suffer with Barlows because they already ARE Barlowed. A favorite setup for me is the 2x Barlow + 12mm MA - great lunar views with enormous eye relief.

 

University Optics used to sell an entire line of Kellners, those are very good ("volcano" tops). Below 9mm an Ortho is preferred.

 

-drl

Thanks! I sometimes see the Meade MAs come up for sale here, but didn't know much about them...now, I'll keep an eye out for them!

 

Good point about barlowing them to keep the comfortable eye relief. I sometimes forget that, and keep going to shorter FLs and pasting my eye to glasssmile.gif



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Posted Yesterday, 12:59 AM

There's a lot of nice photos of interesting eyepieces in this thread. I have had my share of basic 0.965" eyepieces including the very first eyepiece I ever owned.  It was some sort of a 2 element brass eyepiece with 2 lenses, they was a small knurled ring that held the lenses in place.  It came with my first scope, a long focal length 60mm refractor that I had purchased at a garage sale for $5... My only eyepiece, no finder..  Somehow I was able to stumble upon the Orion Nebula and as they say, the rest is history..  I think I only have one 0.965" eyepiece left, I have given the rest away.  Those colored eyepiece sets like those that came with the Sears scopes, there is a place in my heart for them.. 

 

But I wanted to share a picture of my last 0.965" eyepiece.. It's quite rare.. The photo also includes a 1.25 inch Plossl and a 2 inch WideField for comparison.  And I hope everyone is ready for a bit of levity.. 

 

attachicon.gifWide fields with shrunk 31mm - 1.jpg

 

Jon

The idea of mini 31mm nagler is funny to me..Just look at the mini bomb there!


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Posted Yesterday, 08:38 AM

Only Zeiss are the best...😎

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Posted Yesterday, 09:10 AM

My Zeiss not a .965 but a Huygens 40mm with M44 thread..

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