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#1 Russell Smith

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Posted 24 November 2018 - 04:07 PM

Will be picking this up tomorrow. Original ad did not show the objective so I thought the mount may come in handy. (after some work)

Now , I don't know . All input is appreciated. Restore or parts?

 

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Posted 24 November 2018 - 04:12 PM

A previous owner probably put the Air Force decal on it.

 

Looks a lot like a ATCO or Daylite. If I'm not mistaken they are the same scopes with different brand.

That said, I think Space Scopes had the raised badge area on the focuser.

Also, it looks shorter than the usual 700-800mm.


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Posted 24 November 2018 - 04:19 PM

Yes, it does look short. Thanks


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Posted 24 November 2018 - 04:23 PM

It looks similar to the Astro/ Micronta 50mm f10 refractors. Mine had the same look, and knobs, tho it was an equatorial.
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Pic shows you do have the objective. Make sure seller packs that well.
Great scope!
A section of 60mm tube should for as a few shield, if there is none
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Posted 24 November 2018 - 04:36 PM

1958 or earlier... pre-Astro Optical... 60mm spotter... Look at all those plastic knobs!  Uncommon model for sure.  I see a dewshield tucked in the case.


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Posted 24 November 2018 - 04:38 PM

I'd clean & check the lens first, but I'd be inclined to restore this one.


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Posted 24 November 2018 - 04:39 PM

1958 or earlier... pre-Astro Optical... 60mm spotter... Look at all those plastic knobs!  Uncommon model for sure.  I see a dewshield tucked in the case.

Bakelite knobs? It's a wonder those survived. I'm real excited to go get it in the morning. 


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Posted 24 November 2018 - 04:44 PM

Nice find!  Probably just the photo, but I don't see spacers...


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Posted 24 November 2018 - 04:47 PM

The seller said she will not be home but she will leave it on the porch and for me to leave the cash under the flower pot.

I don't think I will sleep a wink tonight. 


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Posted 24 November 2018 - 05:58 PM

Nice find!  Probably just the photo, but I don't see spacers...

I was going to mention the same thing about the missing spacers, as JW says. The lens elements appear to be in contact. You may have to add the spacers. Not hard to do.


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Posted 24 November 2018 - 06:00 PM

Could this be a cemented objective?

I'll find out tomorrow. 

Still totally stoked. 


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Posted 24 November 2018 - 06:02 PM

If it were cemented, you wouldn't see the ring pattern, I believe, but can be wrong.

 

If someone took them out for some reason, there is more than enough optics knowledge to help fashion the needed three. It shouldn't be a concern, but the views will be much better if it is airspaced and has the appropriate spacers.

 

Good find, indeed!


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Posted 24 November 2018 - 06:04 PM

Good to know, thank you.


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Posted 24 November 2018 - 06:40 PM

It looks an awful lot like the 50mm x 500mm HyScore Model 457 that I looked at not to long ago, box layout looks identical. Not sure about the Bakelite knobs though, the one I looked at didn't have a focuser shaft or knobs.

 

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Posted 24 November 2018 - 06:45 PM

That is a real nice looking scope. 

I'll know soon if its 50mm or 60mm



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Posted 24 November 2018 - 07:02 PM

That is a real nice looking scope. 

I'll know soon if its 50mm or 60mm

Yeah it was pretty nice, but I didn't buy it. It was missing focuser shaft assembly and had a spot on the lens similar to yours. I just don't know if I'd be able to find the parts needed to fix it and they wouldn't come down from their $85 asking price so I passed.

 

If yours is a Hyscore I am told they are Astro Optical. Check with CharlieB I believe he has a couple of them.


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Posted 24 November 2018 - 07:16 PM

Good to know. Charlie B was kind enough to gift me the correct eyepiece set for my 4" dynascope. 

This thing is in bad shape but it's real cheap, and I feel it's worth saving as a project or parts. Time will tell what is next for it. 


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Posted 24 November 2018 - 07:25 PM

Well if you would happen to decide to use it for parts I might be interested in the focuser! Keep me in mind.


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Posted 24 November 2018 - 07:32 PM

Ok. Good to know its worth saving. 

I'm just now learning what it is.


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Posted 24 November 2018 - 08:24 PM

It's the 50mm F10.  Looking at the Registry, I find these brands / models made by AOC:

 

Bushnell Sky Rover
Bushnell Sky Rover
Hy-Score T6-C
Micronta
Micronta
Royal AOI Ltd R-53?
Royal AOI Ltd R-53?
Royal AOI Ltd T-3
Royal AOI Ltd T-3
Tasco 55x50
Mirador Super R-51
Optica b/c

 

If you decide you don't want to mess with it, please let me know -- I'd hate to see it parted-out.


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Posted 24 November 2018 - 10:54 PM

Looking again, yes indeed it's a 50mm. For some reason I didn't think of that.shrug.gif

The mount is just like some of the Micronta's and Mirador's that others have posted.

I think the one shown below is CharlieB's.

Note the raised badge area. I knew I'd seen that somewhere.

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Posted 24 November 2018 - 10:57 PM

If it has a Hy-Score label, it is a model 457.  It's a rebranded Astro Optical T6-C and a fine scope.  The OTA is the same as the Micronta 50/500 and the Bushnell SkyRover.   Mine has a serial number of 7327 and is from 1957.

 

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Posted 24 November 2018 - 10:59 PM

Looking again, yes indeed it's a 50mm. For some reason I didn't think of that.shrug.gif

The mount is just like some of the Micronta's and Mirador's that others have posted.

I think the one shown below is CharlieB's.

Note the raised badge area. I knew I'd seen that somewhere.

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Yes, that's my Hy-Score.


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Posted 24 November 2018 - 11:18 PM

Yes, the objective spacers look like they are absent and the altitude shaft looks like someone ground down the arm a bit and replaced the screwed down original cap with something else.  The altitude mechanism on these mounts were not particularly robust. 

 

Still, it's well worth the effort to restore it.  The geared azimuth works well once it is properly adjusted.  I've mentioned before that the bearings on the azimuth adjusters are those pesky eccentric types.

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Posted 25 November 2018 - 05:09 AM

Well, it is "tomorrow".  lol.gif   We are waiting for pictures, and more details.  waytogo.gif 


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