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#1 pfloyd36069

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Posted 06 December 2018 - 09:36 AM

Hello,

 

First time posting here. I recently bought a Nikon D5200 for cheap that needs a couple repairs (front housing has a crack in it and the HDMI/USB cover is missing). My intentions were to convert it to full spectrum and use if for a dedicated AP camera. After doing some research on it I realized it has the Toshiba sensor in it and suffers from bad amp glow especially when modified. The question is, do I modify it anyway and see how it goes or do I just make the repairs and resell it and use the money to get a different model? How hard do you think it would be to resell if it was full spectrum? If I fix and resell do I go for the D5100 (have read they have one of the best sensors Nikon has used and they also have custom firmware available) or try and find a D5300 for cheap? I have heard that the D5300 was when Nikons started to become better for AP. I am currently using a D3300 and it works awesome but want to convert to full spectrum but don't want to modify my main camera. Let me know what you guys think!

 

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Posted 06 December 2018 - 11:40 AM

D5100 bodies are $250 on eBay including shipping [https://www.ebay.com...bf8b4:rk:1:pf:0] ... D5200 bodies are $299 on eBay including shipping [https://www.ebay.com/itm/Nikon-D-D5200-24-1MP-Digital-SLR-Camera-Black-Body-Only/361933542003?epid=131705738&hash=item5444eb9273:rk:1:pf:0], it's unlikely that you're going to be able to get it repaired (including shipping) for less than $49 ...

 

D5300 bodies are $400 on eBay including shipping [https://www.ebay.com...e3f88:rk:4:pf:0] ...

 

I would superglue the crack on the 5200 and use it for daytime photo's (maybe of your rig!) and get either a 5100 or a 5300 body ... 



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Posted 06 December 2018 - 01:45 PM

As long as the rest of the D5200 works ok, I should only have around $30 in fixing it myself. Im thinking a D5100 would be best since it has custom firmware and the resolution is probably a little better matched to my scope. 



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Posted 06 December 2018 - 07:42 PM

D7000 refurb        $349 (firmware hack also available)

https://www.buydig.c...duct/NKD7000RFB

 

So long as willing to get a or DIY USB-controlled BULB cable, that is.



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Posted 06 December 2018 - 08:01 PM

Any advantage of the D7000 over the D5100 for a dedicated AP camera?

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Posted 06 December 2018 - 08:13 PM

Get the D5300

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Posted 06 December 2018 - 08:23 PM

Any advantage of the D7000 over the D5100 for a dedicated AP camera?

Better built semi-pro level DSLR (but heavier.)

Can be a bit suspicion that the image sensor may be using a graded higher one. But just a speculation.



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Posted 06 December 2018 - 09:55 PM

The D5200 is a no -go for AP. The D5100 and D7000 are "antiques" in terms of sensor technology and usability and will require an extra cable besides the USB to connect to your laptop for computer control.

Just buy a used D5300 and save yourself the hassle. Anywhere you shop, they're well below $400.


Edited by 17.5Dob, 06 December 2018 - 10:03 PM.


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Posted 06 December 2018 - 09:57 PM

I have read about the D5200 and Toshiba sensor problem. If you have modified it to full spectrum already you might as well give it a shot. If not, I'd fix it up and sell it. 

I can only talk about the D5100 in terms of recommendation since that is the one I own and use for AP. It is true, there is firmware update available, and it really has a great sensor, but you will need a DSUSB adapter and cable to do long exposures. Main differences vs the D7000 is that it's lighter and the D5100 gave adjustable screen while the D7000 does not. As far as I know, the D5300 does not have a firmware hack available, but it does not need a DSUSB adapter box. I would read up on this  thread.

Having said all this, I have no regrets going for the D5100


Edited by moxican, 06 December 2018 - 10:00 PM.


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Posted 06 December 2018 - 10:02 PM

The D5200 is a no -go for AP. The D5100 and D7000 are "antiques" in terms of sensor technology and usability and will require an extra cable besides the USB to connect to your laptop for computer control.

Just buy a used D5300 and save yourself the hassle.

Model year for the D5100 is 2011 while for the D5300 it's 2013. I don't see how two years makes the D5100 "antique" on a comparison.



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Posted 06 December 2018 - 10:15 PM

Model year for the D5100 is 2011 while for the D5300 it's 2013. I don't see how two years makes the D5100 "antique" on a comparison.

2 years in camera technology is like 20 years in human terms. The D5300 has 1/2 the noise of the D5100 and doesn't need the firmware hack.

In any event Do NOT try to use a Toshiba sensored camera for AP aka the D5200. I tried to use my D7100 for AP and it was absolutely atrocious.

I've shot my D5300 for three years now with fantastic results. There is a reason that it is Nikon's most popular APS-c camera for AP use.

 


Edited by 17.5Dob, 06 December 2018 - 10:36 PM.


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Posted 07 December 2018 - 03:02 AM

Also consider the D5500. It is the same as the D5300 sensor but does heve a handy touchscreen aboard and doesn't have a GPS which is imo a waste for astrophotography. Also it look like it has a better liveview. Google this liveview aspect.



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Posted 07 December 2018 - 07:24 PM

2 years in camera technology is like 20 years in human terms. The D5300 has 1/2 the noise of the D5100 and doesn't need the firmware hack.
 

What is your source on this I wonder...?

 

D5100.JPG                D5300.JPG

 

 

On the same note, here is a couple of snippets from the CN thread I've linked earlier...

 

Nikon D5300.JPG                        Nikon D5100.JPG


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Posted 07 December 2018 - 07:28 PM

Again... for the D5500

 

 

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Nikon D5500.JPG

 

 

 

I am not trying to be rude here or anything of that sort, but facts are facts.

Furthermore, let's not forget about the price tag of both the D5300 and D5500 compared to the D5100


Edited by moxican, 07 December 2018 - 07:30 PM.


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Posted 07 December 2018 - 08:55 PM

The D5300 has 1/2 the noise of the D5100 and doesn't need the firmware hack.
 

Sorry the tone used is so awkward that CN readers might have thought about tlat

D5100 need the firmware "fix" in order to catch up with what D5300's level is.

 

First of all, that Nikonhacker firmware is to get the D5100 (or D7000) behave as if its an astroimager.  That's making NEF output sensor raw

without Nikon Expeed DSP doing the damages to the raw sensor image.

That is, raw is raw (not raw is camera RAW.) Compare that with what you would pay for ASI071 (and QHY equivalent), but lack of Petier active cooling, you know it's a bargain.



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Posted 07 December 2018 - 09:59 PM

What is your source on this I wonder...?

 

Maybe not twice as good but certainly 50% better...

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Posted 07 December 2018 - 10:14 PM

        Furthermore, let's not forget about the price tag of  the D5300  compared to the D5100

The D5300 is currently ~$350 for a good+/excellent- body. The D5100 is not even capable of computer control through a single USB cable. The Shoestring Astro cable for serial to USB is nearly $100 and will take up another USB port to give you full laptop control. The D5100 is not a "bargain".


Edited by 17.5Dob, 07 December 2018 - 10:17 PM.


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Posted 07 December 2018 - 10:35 PM

OMG !!! Green stars everywhere from my D5300.

Even when stretched well, WELL, beyond acceptable bounds (using a $259, 80mm APO  for this shot if you want to talk economics....)

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There's a whole bunch of them here, in this extremely undersampled shot from my White Zone backyard..

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More green stars...

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Edited by 17.5Dob, 07 December 2018 - 10:36 PM.


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Posted 07 December 2018 - 10:36 PM

That "no USB control for BULB_on, BULB_off" is rather unfortunate.  N did it to itself (by using the "upgrade to the next model then we'll fix it" marketing strategy.

It is also rather unfortunate that a proprietary low-volume astro-specialty product house has to charge IMHO $$$ on that.

A simple DIY (material cost can be as low as $15 but need skills) can fix that.



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Posted 07 December 2018 - 10:43 PM

The chart in post #16 is the same in post #13, but in different representation.

Post #16 is using log2 scale and #13 is absolute.

 

D5100 from ISO100 to ISO800, RN 3.411 to 2.713 e-.

D5300 from ISO100 to ISO800, RN 3.317 to 2.219 e-.

D5500 from ISO100 to ISO800, RN 3.227 to 2.282 e-.

 

 

That is not 1/2 of the RN.

 

BTW, D5100 at ISO100 FWC is 43467 e- while D5300 is 33241 e- (and D5500 is 34093 e-.)


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Posted 07 December 2018 - 10:55 PM

That "no USB control for BULB_on, BULB_off" is rather unfortunate.  N did it to itself (by using the "upgrade to the next model then we'll fix it" marketing strategy.

It is also rather unfortunate that a proprietary low-volume astro-specialty product house has to charge IMHO $$$ on that.

A simple DIY (material cost can be as low as $15 but need skills) can fix that.

And it's unfortunate that people argue about a few pennies difference between uncooled, obsolete, dSLRs , and a few % points difference noise when the "Best" solution is just to go to a cooled CMOS cam.

If you don't want to mess with hacking your firmware, and manufacturing, or buying, an extra cable to connect a D5100 to a laptop, than either buy a Nikon D5300, or dump Nikon, and move to a Canon, where Raw is Raw ( but noisier than all get out.....)

The best solution for an inexpensive, AP only cam, in this day and age, is just to buy an OSC cooled CMOS cam.

If you can't afford that, than 0.5 e- difference in read noise isn't going to make any difference in the world if you're shooting in 70-80F temps where thermal noise will destroy any dSLR.

 


Edited by 17.5Dob, 07 December 2018 - 11:00 PM.


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Posted 07 December 2018 - 11:01 PM

Canon camera RAW is definitely not sensor raw.

From my vantage point, D5100 with Nikonhacker firmware is the closest one to a CMOS astroimager (like a ZWO ASI071 with Peltier cooling turned off.).

  <-- both use IMX071



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Posted 07 December 2018 - 11:24 PM

One single 60" shot. Nikon D5300, ISO200, 65mm f6.5.

Where are the green stars?

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Edited by 17.5Dob, 07 December 2018 - 11:24 PM.


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Posted 08 December 2018 - 02:09 AM

Again... for the D5500

 

 

attachicon.gif D5100.JPG                      attachicon.gif D5500.JPG

 

 

 

attachicon.gif Nikon D5500.JPG

 

 

 

I am not trying to be rude here or anything of that sort, but facts are facts.

Furthermore, let's not forget about the price tag of both the D5300 and D5500 compared to the D5100

 

Pardon for asking but how do I interpret these graphs? Can you explain this to me?




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