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#1 James Ball

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Posted 03 January 2019 - 03:47 PM

https://www.astronom...c0eb38-85376257

 

So is this the same OTA as the Skywatcher 180?  Or has Celestron added something new to the mix?



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Posted 03 January 2019 - 04:02 PM

It appears to be exactly the same.

 

 

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Posted 03 January 2019 - 04:02 PM

Seems like a clone to me.



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Posted 03 January 2019 - 04:15 PM

What's the point of this new SKU for Synta? It is attractive only if somebody is in the market for the cgem II AND the 180mm mak at the same time, because it costs a little less than buying those two things separately. 


Edited by Marcsabb, 03 January 2019 - 04:18 PM.

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Posted 03 January 2019 - 04:20 PM

Well given the parent company involved "clone" wouldn't be the term I'd use.

 

Specs (size, weight, optics, etc) are essentially the same (given slight rounding often seen) and the extra weight from the larger dovetail bar used on the Celestron.

 

My guess is that this is an easy low risk product for Celestron to introduce to cover any interest in the GSO classical Cassegrains.


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#6 James Ball

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Posted 03 January 2019 - 05:36 PM

Well given the parent company involved "clone" wouldn't be the term I'd use.

 

Specs (size, weight, optics, etc) are essentially the same (given slight rounding often seen) and the extra weight from the larger dovetail bar used on the Celestron.

 

My guess is that this is an easy low risk product for Celestron to introduce to cover any interest in the GSO classical Cassegrains.

Kinda what I was thinking.  Cashing in on the Celestron name for the mass market since more people know it than Skywatcher or any other of their brands.  Now if they had put it on a CPC or Evolution mount it would have made it more unique and brought back memories of the Meade LX200  7" Mak.



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Posted 03 January 2019 - 05:57 PM

Celestron says it has "StarBright XLT coatings" which would imply that it is a bit different than the Orion or Skywatcher's....


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Posted 03 January 2019 - 06:30 PM

Celestron says it has "StarBright XLT coatings" which would imply that it is a bit different than the Orion or Skywatcher's....

SW's "Fully Multi-Coated" might be synonymous with Celseston's "StarBright XLT Coatings"?


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Posted 03 January 2019 - 08:27 PM

The XLT coatings might be used on Celestron products only.  Maybe the SW coatings are close to the XLT?  So a tad better light throughput?  I see the CO is 22%, is that the same as the SW/Orion models?

 

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Posted 03 January 2019 - 08:33 PM

What's the point of this new SKU for Synta? It is attractive only if somebody is in the market for the cgem II AND the 180mm mak at the same time, because it costs a little less than buying those two things separately. 

You did a good job answering your question. I run my Skywatcher 180 on a CG-5, but a sturdier mount would be better for this class.

 

I had always assumed that Celestron would not market a Maksutov in sizes that impinge on their SCT line. Then I saw the Nexstar 127, and now this.



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Posted 03 January 2019 - 10:03 PM

Isn’t the Orion also a Synta?

 

https://www.telescop...Tube/p/9969.uts



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Posted 04 January 2019 - 01:28 AM

Isn’t the Orion also a Synta?

 

https://www.telescop...Tube/p/9969.uts

Yes, it is. Orion is mostly a US centric brand, so I guess it's a way to have better presence in different markets.



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Posted 04 January 2019 - 05:35 AM

No OTA only?

It would have been nice when Celestron made a > F20  in stead of the F15.



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Posted 04 January 2019 - 06:29 AM

https://www.astronom...c0eb38-85376257

 

So is this the same OTA as the Skywatcher 180?  Or has Celestron added something new to the mix?

 

Comes with a CGE dovetail instead of Vixen/CG-5 size on the Skywatcher & Orion models.  If they sell it as an OTA only later on I wonder if they'll stick with the CGE dovetail or offer a choice as they do for the SCT's.


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Posted 04 January 2019 - 07:56 AM

So far both Mounts offered (CGEM II & CGX) utilize the CGE Dovetail



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Posted 04 January 2019 - 09:16 AM

It would be nice if Celestron could offer the 7" Mak with a fork mount. Perhaps an addition to the current CPC lineup. 



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Posted 04 January 2019 - 09:33 AM

It would be nice if Celestron could offer the 7" Mak with a fork mount. Perhaps an addition to the current CPC lineup. 

It's possible but unlikely as they would face the same issues Meade faced 20 some odd years ago unless It would ride stable on the Evo Mount?



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Posted 04 January 2019 - 09:40 AM

What's the point of this new SKU for Synta? It is attractive only if somebody is in the market for the cgem II AND the 180mm mak at the same time, because it costs a little less than buying those two things separately. 

I think that this is a good answer.

 

This is probably something to do with marketing agreements and distribution rights.

 

Celestron USA is essentially a distributor now and they can only distribute Celestron branded merchandise.  As you suggest, this would give them something to sell under their own brand.

Other distrubutors may also have the same wish, so I suspect that your answer is the correct one.   



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Posted 04 January 2019 - 12:40 PM

Ok...well...nothing new under the sky



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Posted 04 January 2019 - 12:51 PM

AFAIK Celestron usually introduces a new ota bundled with a mount. It takes a while for an ota to show up on it's own ... and sometimes they don't at all (127mm Mak ota in Celestron brand for example). The RASAs seem to be the exception to this with the both mounted and unmounted versions showing up at about the same time.

 

The simplest method for Celestron to introduce the 180mm Mak is on a gem, it requires virtually no additional engineering, just marketing, support, and packaging.

 

An Evolution based package would also make sense and should be simple to do using the same setup as for the C925 version (with the heavier Evo tripod), it will just require the CG-5 compatible dovetail instead of the CGE model and the red dot finder in place of the optical one. Balance points and such will have to be verified but it should actually be better than the C925 version due to having a slightly shorter ota and being a bit more front heavy (so the ota will mount in a more neutral mid point on the dovetail bar).

 

A CPC version will require some new hardware (spacers between the fork arms and it may need the longer arms of the C925 version, not the smaller 8" one) and will therefore take longer.

 

One thing we won't know is just how popular Celestron thinks the 180mm Mak will be. We might however get an idea about this by how much effort Celestron puts into these two gem based packages and any future ones.



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Posted 04 January 2019 - 02:09 PM

AFAIK Celestron usually introduces a new ota bundled with a mount. It takes a while for an ota to show up on it's own ... and sometimes they don't at all (127mm Mak ota in Celestron brand for example). The RASAs seem to be the exception to this with the both mounted and unmounted versions showing up at about the same time.

 

The simplest method for Celestron to introduce the 180mm Mak is on a gem, it requires virtually no additional engineering, just marketing, support, and packaging.

 

An Evolution based package would also make sense and should be simple to do using the same setup as for the C925 version (with the heavier Evo tripod), it will just require the CG-5 compatible dovetail instead of the CGE model and the red dot finder in place of the optical one. Balance points and such will have to be verified but it should actually be better than the C925 version due to having a slightly shorter ota and being a bit more front heavy (so the ota will mount in a more neutral mid point on the dovetail bar).

 

A CPC version will require some new hardware (spacers between the fork arms and it may need the longer arms of the C925 version, not the smaller 8" one) and will therefore take longer.

 

One thing we won't know is just how popular Celestron thinks the 180mm Mak will be. We might however get an idea about this by how much effort Celestron puts into these two gem based packages and any future ones.

I think the CPC or Evo mounts could make the package a little less expensive and would actually be good for the normal Mak target market of Lunar and Planetary observers, since even for imaging super accurate tracking isn't as important as regular DSO targets require.  This OTA on a less expensive AZ fork mount would be something I would be interested in since the Meades in good working condition are becoming rare.


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Posted 04 January 2019 - 03:38 PM

I think that this is a good answer.

 

This is probably something to do with marketing agreements and distribution rights.

 

Celestron USA is essentially a distributor now and they can only distribute Celestron branded merchandise.  As you suggest, this would give them something to sell under their own brand.

Other distrubutors may also have the same wish, so I suspect that your answer is the correct one.   

 I had similar thoughts. It may be to get them away from the SkyWatcher brand distributing. The SW 180 Mak I recently acquired was shipped directly from Celestron. It makes sense that they would prefer the Celestron paint job on the same OTA. :)



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Posted 04 January 2019 - 03:41 PM

I think the CPC or Evo mounts could make the package a little less expensive and would actually be good for the normal Mak target market of Lunar and Planetary observers, since even for imaging super accurate tracking isn't as important as regular DSO targets require.  This OTA on a less expensive AZ fork mount would be something I would be interested in since the Meades in good working condition are becoming rare.

 I would love to see a CPC + 180 package, IF, they would be sure to leave enough clearance for the SCT Crayford & goodies on the tail. :)


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Posted 06 January 2019 - 11:49 PM

No OTA only?

It would have been nice when Celestron made a > F20  in stead of the F15.

Why f >20. That would be a very specialised instrument. 140 inches or more of focal length. Actual field of view would be very small. Would you use it for video Imaging? 



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Posted 06 January 2019 - 11:59 PM

Exactly, it would have been a specialised instrument for planet imaging and visual in mind because of the smaller CO. Such an instrument is now not on the market given the projected pricelevel etc.


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