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#1 Jeff Struve

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Posted 11 February 2019 - 04:32 PM

Hi all!

 

I just purchased a very cute pair of the subject binoculars and in doing a bit of research found that these were commonly counterfeited...

 

I have no reason to believe that these are counterfeit, and the little research I could do, especially considering that I am a nuvo binocrat... I'd like your input!

 

Whatcha think?

 

Thanx!

Jeff

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Posted 11 February 2019 - 04:33 PM

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#3 Jeff Struve

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Posted 11 February 2019 - 04:34 PM

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Posted 12 February 2019 - 10:38 AM

As the seller, I retained the original ad photos. They might help Jeff's quest to get these binoculars authenticated.

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Posted 12 February 2019 - 10:39 AM

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Posted 12 February 2019 - 10:43 AM

I'm looking forward to the collector community's opinions.

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Posted 12 February 2019 - 11:18 AM

Hi Foss!

 

Thanx for the added pics!

 

They really seem very well built, and from the little use I can give them... we are getting a wintery mix here so the best I can do is look at a tree across the street... the view is nice...

 

I have little if any doubt as to authenticity... but am interested in hearing about tell tale signs of originality if I continue with collecting. 



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Posted 12 February 2019 - 11:24 AM

looks like 1955 vintage .....single coated lenses....looks lightly used and original....also Q1 marked.....


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Posted 12 February 2019 - 11:25 AM

Look genuine to me. Cover plates screws at the right place, focuser wheel with no circular groove.
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Posted 12 February 2019 - 12:01 PM

Wow... a lot to learn on authentication! I was thinking that the Q1 was just a symbol... what does it mean?

 

I would have never thought about screw placement!

 

Thanks!


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Posted 12 February 2019 - 01:28 PM

In first post,  "commonly counterfited"......

 

What/where?        About the time of the demise of the DDR ( IIRC),    CZJ     contracted with  Kamakura   Koki  to produce  that model.  Would that be considered  as counterfeiting?

 

deja vu   once or twice  in this forum


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Posted 12 February 2019 - 01:52 PM

In first post,  "commonly counterfited"......

 

What/where?        About the time of the demise of the DDR ( IIRC),    CZJ     contracted with  Kamakura   Koki  to produce  that model.  Would that be considered  as counterfeiting?

 

deja vu   once or twice  in this forum

I have no idea... I am trying to learn... I got the following:

 

"When you already talk about Jena products it would be difficult not to mention the 8x30 model, perhaps one of the most forged pair of binoculars of all time. Saying ‘forged’ I mean the widest sense of that word. The fakes including the full name of the lens and the Carl Zeiss logo were quite popular. Additionally that particular model inspired a vast array of products coming from the Eastern Block and from the Western Europe as well."

 

From here:

 

https://webcache.goo...n&ct=clnk&gl=us



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Posted 12 February 2019 - 03:44 PM

It is real,fakes have only six digits in the serial number and were made in Japan,but didn't say that.

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Posted 12 February 2019 - 06:23 PM

The Q1 means quality 1...…...a unit that tested out better than the normal acceptable production units.............


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Posted 12 February 2019 - 11:06 PM

More on the topic http://www.holgermer...e/jenoptem.html
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Posted 13 February 2019 - 09:23 AM

Hi all!

 

I just purchased a very cute pair of the subject binoculars and in doing a bit of research found that these were commonly counterfeited...

 

I have no reason to believe that these are counterfeit, and the little research I could do, especially considering that I am a nuvo binocrat... I'd like your input!

 

Whatcha think?

 

Thanx!

Jeff

Congratulations Jeff !

 

Your CZJ binocular is fully legit and besides the good condition from your pictures, it holds the 1Q code that means the Highest quality according to the German Democratic Republic (DDR). More about the DDR Q-codes here (in German)

 

https://www.dresdner...etezeichen.html

 

" 1Q: Erzeugnis hervorragender Güte, verkörpert den wissenschaftlich- technischen Höchststand zum Vergabezeitpunkt, entspricht vergleichbaren Spitzenerzeugnissen des Weltmarktes"

 

Traslation: "Excellent quality product, representing the highest scientific and technical value at the time of submission, equal to comparable top products on the world market"

 

Enjoy the wide field views and welcome to the vintage Zeiss binos!

 

Carlos


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Posted 13 February 2019 - 09:41 AM

Hi Jeff,

 

if you are interested in the history of your Deltrintems, i highly recommend you to read the article: Legendary Binoculars the 8x30 Deltrinems in Allbinos. a very good investigation about one of the most successful (and copied)  binoculars in history.

 

https://www.allbinos...intem_8x30.html

 

Enjoy!

 

Carlos


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Posted 13 February 2019 - 08:05 PM

They truly are cute little binos!
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Posted 14 February 2019 - 08:46 AM

It was actually clear enough this morning to look out the window, over the river and check out the dozen or so eagles perches in the trees... 

 

These little guys really are fun! I also just bought Nikon Monarch 7 10X42.... I think all in all I like these Jena's better...

 

Thanx all!

Jeff


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Posted 14 February 2019 - 02:13 PM

When I was growing up in the mid 1960s my friend and Astronomy buddy’s grandfather had a pair of Zeiss 15x60s. They were the porro-prism binoculars with the leatherette finish (like yours Jeff) and the nice fitted oxblood leather case with the red velvet interior. I expect they were made in the late 1950s, I believe he picked them up in Europe. He (the grandfather) had expensive tastes and also owned a Questar. He was the first ‘real’ amateur astronomer either of us knew and is the one who got us into the hobby. He died shortly thereafter while we were in highschool, and my friend wound up with the binoculars (not the Questar). In fact, he still has them. Anyway, they were quite heavy and so were typically mounted on his big old fluid-head camera tripod that had also been his grandfather’s. We used to look through those binoculars all the time! He also had his dad’s 7x50 B&L Navy binoculars and I had a pair of Japanese 8x40s. The skies were much clearer and darker back then and we learned all the constellations as well as the brighter DSOs, clusters, and asterisms using those three pairs of binoculars. It was more than a year later before either of us got telescopes, but even after we both remained serious binoculars observers until we both finished highschool and set off to different colleges. I have been an avid amateur ever since; him not so much, but we have continued to keep intouch from time to time even though we live on opposite sides of the country. After all these years, I have to say that looking through those wonderful Zeiss binoculars were a big part of setting me on the path. I haven’t looked through them in more than 50 years, but I will never forget those pin-point sharp, bright, contrasty, views.


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Posted 14 February 2019 - 02:21 PM

Wonderful story Terra! Thank you for sharing!



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Posted 14 February 2019 - 02:37 PM

You’re welcome Jeff. They are wonderful memories. It makes me happy to share them!
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Posted 15 February 2019 - 02:35 AM

It was actually clear enough this morning to look out the window, over the river and check out the dozen or so eagles perches in the trees... 

 

These little guys really are fun! I also just bought Nikon Monarch 7 10X42.... I think all in all I like these Jena's better...

 

Thanx all!

Jeff

The 8x30 Jena´s will be a surprise everytime you use them. They are lightweight, wide field and have that historical aura of the company who invented most of the optical technology. 

 

Of course they have lowlights (e.g. glare), but its nice to see that an +40 years old bino is still competitive with some models today.  If -by the way- you are interested in the old but good Jena binoculars, you should get the 10x50 Dekarem or 10x50W Jenoptem. The experience of wide field and central sharpness is amazing.

 

Carlos


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Posted 15 February 2019 - 03:04 AM

It does look genuine indeed. I have a later version of the same design marked as Jenoptem 8x30W -  the best small binos my hands ever touched and my eyes ever looked through.


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Posted 15 February 2019 - 03:35 AM

I have a strange hybrid CZJ/ Docter 8X56 IF that was produced just before Docter bought the Jena factory. It has the Docter logo and was one of the latest IF that CZJ made. The Docter 8X56s that were produced were not IF.

 

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