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#1 thebutcher

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Posted 17 February 2019 - 08:59 PM

Hey all,

 

New here and I have some questions about what kind of camera to get. First of all I was not sure in which topic forum to put this in due to that I am undecided to go the DSLR or Dedicated Astronomy Cam such as a ZWO.

 

My current setup is an AVX Mount I just got with a used Sky watcher Equinox APO  ED80. I currently have a ZWO385MC that I use for my 10" Dob for planets and have been messing around and learning with DSO this past month with that cam. Now I intend to use my ZWO385MC as a guide scope in addition to a new/used DSLR/ZWO. THe ZWO would be MC not MM. My budget could be from $400-$1000 depending on the significant differences with the camera. The higher range in price, the longer I got to wait basically or more to sell lol.

 

So with that in mind some of my options that I thought of are:

1. Get a New Nikon 5300 or T6i or some other similar for around $400 then Astro-modify later (but would it perform with out it well enough)

2, Get a second hand Astro Modified T3i or similar for around $350-$600

3. Go for the ZWO 183MC for $600

4. Go for the ZWO 183MC Cooled $800

5  Go for the ZWO 294MC $700

6  Go for the ZWO 294MC cooled for $1000

 

I guess what I am trying to say is: Will a  ZWO camera outperform the modified DSLR's and by a lot for DSO objects such as Galaxies and Nebulas and such or is it just a matter a prefference. ANd does the cooling dramatically increase the performance per the extra cost.

 

Thanks ALL

 

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Edited by thebutcher, 17 February 2019 - 09:13 PM.


#2 bobzeq25

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Posted 17 February 2019 - 10:24 PM

I have a 183C (cooled).  The tiny pixels are tough to use.  It's a niche camera (I plan to use it with an F2 RASA) for an expert.  For someone new, the 294 is a _far_ better choice.  Drop the 183 off the possibilities.

 

Cooling is a must.  An uncooled astro specific camera is a waste of money.

 

Modding is a tweak.  Useful on emission nebulae, but not necessary.

 

The older Canons have been left behind by the 5300, which can be had, new, for under $400.

 

So, either the D5300, for about $400 (or the very similar 5500, which I also own, or the 5600) or the 294C, cooled, for $1000.  Both would be fine choices.  The cooled 294C is distinctly superior (more sensitive, lower noise, already "modded"), whether it's worth the additional money is simply a personal decision, that no one can (or should) make for you.

 

Minor, but important point.  Image scale is important, but not so much for a beginner.  Higher numbers for image scale are easier, and the theoretical resolution increase with lower numbers often is not realized.


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Posted 18 February 2019 - 10:30 AM

I have a 183C (cooled).  The tiny pixels are tough to use.  It's a niche camera (I plan to use it with an F2 RASA) for an expert.  For someone new, the 294 is a _far_ better choice.  Drop the 183 off the possibilities.

 

Cooling is a must.  An uncooled astro specific camera is a waste of money.

 

Modding is a tweak.  Useful on emission nebulae, but not necessary.

 

The older Canons have been left behind by the 5300, which can be had, new, for under $400.

 

So, either the D5300, for about $400 (or the very similar 5500, which I also own, or the 5600) or the 294C, cooled, for $1000.  Both would be fine choices.  The cooled 294C is distinctly superior (more sensitive, lower noise, already "modded"), whether it's worth the additional money is simply a personal decision, that no one can (or should) make for you.

 

Minor, but important point.  Image scale is important, but not so much for a beginner.  Higher numbers for image scale are easier, and the theoretical resolution increase with lower numbers often is not realized.

Thank you so much Bob,

 

That clarifies a lot for me on the one to choose. I would go with the 5300 or the 294 depending upon how patient I can be to get the better option. But at least I know that I can make do with the 5300 and possibly use it for a little bit then sell it once I got enough to go for the 294MC Cooled. 

 

I just don't want to miss the Galaxy Season coming up as I have been reading 

 

Thanks Again 

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