I am not looking to start any lengthy argument, but Western industries never use worst grade of recycled aluminum at making metallic parts.
And neither have they used worst grade of plastic, which degrades and melts and become sticky as glue after 18 months, because it gets in contact with atmospheric air.
When our marketing was talking about optical lens over a product this was of what you are getting.
And neither we was selling a totally plastic Barlow with retail pricing this fluctuating from 2.5$ up to the hilarious amount of 15$, so we to buy expensive BMWs by cheating the entire planet.
Chinese people lucking moral values, it is in their Blood.
Only Japan and Taiwan differentiate, they have moral values, it is in their blood, and they count at selling quality goods, because with out a high exports rate, they will both go bankrupt.
One Chinese factory it can provide decent goods under western supervisor and management.
Neither of them it does exist at mainland China of 2019.
We all using now the faceless eBay which now serves best interest of Chinese mainland lobby, there is no individual sellers, the market is controlled by 90 families them owning eight stores its one.
The lobby decides retail price of a product, all stores follow orders of the big Boss and they play with us with 5% discounts.
PayPal web site few months ago it did hide the link of opening a case against a seller, I was forced to make a bookmark, instead searching their website help system over and over.
The system of trade due internet, it weakens and further weakens buyer protection its new day, because this is now under control of the China mainland lobby too.
While I am a Greek, I do believe that president Trump he is very aware of the unseen risks, and puppets getting paid by the Chinese lobby they are his true enemy.
I am sorry but international trading this is now politics, and not a simple topic for consumers to solve it by them self’s.
98% of Chinese mainland factories do not use email, you must be a Chinese so to speak with them by telephone.
They love the money of westerns but in the reality, they hate us and they do plans all day long to conquer the markets.
I agree part of your view. They surely have made a lot of low quality stuff. I know exactly that Chinese made stuff have very bad reputation. My Italy friend told me he bought a pair of Chinese leather shoes made by paper, and falling apart if it is rainy. Sounds like a joke, but it is true. However, we do have high quality shoes that can be wear for decades. Then why does he buy paper shoes? Because it is cheap, only €2. He can not blame all the Chinese made stuff if he buy the €2 shoes instead of €200 ones. He should know that he get what he paid for. The same, why people all over the world like buying Chinese stuff, because it is cheap! You are buying some Chinese brand that I, as a Chinese, have never heard in China. My American friend sent me a picture of a Chinese made pan that was burnt through after three times using. I swear I’ve never seen such $3 pan in Chinese local market during my whole life. And we do have $500 hand made pan that was striked hammer by hammer for thousands of times. It is very very popular in China. Unfortunately, it is not under you western supervisor and management at all. Instead of that, we do need help on marketing policy, law making. It is human nature that every one like cheap stuff. But we can not let bad money drives out good money. They are not just making low quality stuff, but cheating! And they cause injure not only to the users, but also to the reputation of Chinese stuff. We should shut down all these factories, and put them to jail. As in eBay, a lot of agent operated under you western supervisor and management, buy the cheapest of the cheapest stuff in local market then sell it online. Chinese stuff are cheap because of the huge population, the labor is cheap. But it can not be so unreasonable cheap like 99 cents for an umbrella. It is fraud! People surely will be like a drown rat with no doubt if use this umbrella. They should ban these seller, never let them show up in eBay again. If you always buy some low quality Chinese stuff eBay, then don’t use this western supervised and managed website, use www.aliexpress.com, our own international trading website. I am sure the seller on this website will reply every of your email. If you like, they can talk with you in English fluently on phone. They will tell you whether we can only make paper shoes, chocolate pans and colander umbrella without western supervisor and management, and whether all the Chinese use these ridiculous stuff everyday and suffered.
As for the eyepieces, Startman1 made a great guide. But I want to add some more to it. We do have some no touch brands who only make junk. Like you said, use worst grade of plastic, which degrades and melts and become sticky as glue after 18 months. Meanwhile we do have some high quality but not world famous ones. Some are only sold in local market. But you can buy them online easily. One word for all, you get what you paid for.
If you want to buy high quality Chinese made eyepieces, SKY ROVER and Explore Scientific are your best choice. Sky Rover may be less famous than ES. But their quality are at the same level. SKY ROVER is not in the guide. But I notice that the model name like SWA, XWA are same as Telescope Service in the guide, but much cheaper. Maybe it use Telescope Service sale channel in US and let it bite most of the profit. By the way, SKY ROVER is also one of the two best APO maker in China. Another one is Sharp Star. They both make great APO with acceptable price.
Some brand have average quality. But the price is reasonable. They are Sky-watcher, GSO, BOSMA, ANGELEYES, SAGA etc. Some of them are not listed in the guide, but worth to buy. Sky-Watcher was called SYNTA before, and it bought Celestron and Meade. All Celestron and Meade’s eyepieces are made by Sky-Watcher.
Some brand has OEM manufacturer in China. Like Vixen, Badder, Orion. Some OEM manufacturer also have their own brand. Like PLANO. Strongly recommend. Except the logo, it is exactly same as Baader, but much less expensive. Because these manufacturers share no more than 30% of the profit. Most of the profit goes into the famous brands owners’ pocket. I will continue dig out some more OEM brand.
Some eyepieces are described as ultra wide view, super long eye relief, super high quality. They even put some beautiful nebula pictures there, which are shot by Hubble. They will give you a huge discount if you contact with them. Don’t be fool! Chinese can make cheap stuff doesn’t mean there is no cost there! Example: ZHITONG, Datyson
I totally understand your view on Chinese made stuff. No need to argue at all. And I will never defend for those junk maker who has no moral and faith at all. They are deserved to be shut down, put into the jail and never show up in market again. We still have a long way to normalize the market to get rid of them. As an individual, What I can do only is to list some brands that worth to try, some should be aware of. Hopefully this may help.
Edited by hongxu chen, 07 October 2019 - 08:30 AM.