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#1 peleuba

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Posted 25 April 2019 - 11:14 AM

I purchased the AT92 new from Astronomics on impulse after reading about it in this thread:  https://www.cloudyni...84898-the-at92/

 

The optical quality, on paper, looked impressive.  And, I really like high quality, small APO's.  

 

This is my first foray into an OTA from China.  I own AP and TAK, and previously have owned TEC's, CFF etc. so I did not know what to expect.  The fit/finish is excellent, exceeding my expectations.  The paint is a textured powdercoat very similar to the CFF line of APO's.  The focuser is outstanding - FAR better then I would have expected at this price point - there is no need to upgrade it to any of the U.S. made boutique focusers for visual use.  I am not into astrophotography so cannot comment with any authority on its ability to hold an imaging train steady over a period of time.  Overall, I am struck by the value proposition that this telescope represents.

 

Below are some images taken last evening of the AT92 in double pass autocollimation (DPAC) from my test bench.

 

Some points to note about DPAC...  First, the test cannot assign a wavefront or Strehl value to any optic with any sort of accuracy.  However, it can tell you - in seconds - if your telescope is closer to a 1/4 wave or closer to a 1/10 wave.  The test can also give you a reasonable picture of the optical surface(s) - how smooth/rough it is or if zones exist.  But, probabaly, the biggest advantage of DPAC testing is that there are few sources of test-method induced error.  It's EXTREMELY difficult to get a false positive.  In other words, its nearly impossible for a bad telescope to test out as "good".  With other test methods, this sometimes happens because of a lack of understanding on how to perform the test then not knowing how to interpret type and severity of errors in the result.

 

Additionally, when testing optics using Double Pass Autocollimation, the error uncovered is "double" what actually exists in the glass.  Part of the test equipment is an optical flat which reflects the light back through the telescope traversing the optical path twice - so any error found is double what actually exists in the lens.  This is the reason the test is so sensitive; making it easier to see small figuring errors.  Finally, I have never seen a telescope do well in DPAC testing and perform poorly in the field.  I also verify the DPAC results with an indoor artificial star test using a collimator to generate a parallel beam that I use to create an artificial star.  DPAC and star test tell me all I need to know about the relative "goodness" of an optic.  

 

A few final thoughts on this test...  (1) the telescope rested in the v-blocks on the bench for more then 24 hours so that the lens was in thermal equilibrium with the test area.  (2) I test at 3 wavelengths:  Green, Blue and Red.  This telescope has best correction in Green; its nearly perfect at this wavelength.  In Blue its slightly overcorrected.  In Red its slightly undercorrected.  Its fairly typical to see the red and blue have "opposite signs" as these colors are on opposite sides of the spectrum.  The lens also has a very slight hill (or depression) in the center.  This is very common in machine polished lenses and will have negligible impact on the view.

 

My camera is not as sensitive in Red so the DPAC images in red are not nearly as good.  This was a quick test last evening.  If I was documenting it, I would take more time to capture better photos. 

 

Overall, this lens looks to be a terrific performer. 

 

 

(edited for grammar)

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Edited by peleuba, 25 April 2019 - 12:31 PM.


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Posted 25 April 2019 - 11:26 AM

Good stuff Paul! That does indeed look to be a great lens.



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Posted 25 April 2019 - 11:30 AM

Thanks for taking the time to do this Paul! It’s always nice to have a consumer test to verify a manufacturers claims. I see as usual, Astronomics should be proud to offer these to the masses at very reasonable prices! I applaud their efforts and transparency during the run up to this offering. Naysayers take heed...yes quality products can be delivered at reasonable prices to stated specs!

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Posted 25 April 2019 - 11:57 AM

This is the .983 Strehl scope that Astronomics posted, correct?

 

 



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Posted 25 April 2019 - 12:14 PM

This is the .983 Strehl scope that Astronomics posted, correct?

 

Yes AFAIK.



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Posted 26 April 2019 - 06:15 AM

Very nice
You explained the test well
The posted RGB results look good
& to boot, you have a good lens & optical tube, focuser
Good deal
Nicely done

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Posted 26 April 2019 - 02:07 PM


This is my first foray into an OTA from China.  I own AP and TAK, and previously have owned TEC's, CFF etc. so I did not know what to expect.  The fit/finish is excellent, exceeding my expectations.  The paint is a textured powdercoat very similar to the CFF line of APO's.  The focuser is outstanding - FAR better then I would have expected at this price point - there is no need to upgrade it to any of the U.S. made boutique focusers for visual use.

Telescopes manufacturers in China have come a long way in recent years. They can make some excellent lenses. It's all about the price point that the re-brander wants to hit.



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Posted 26 April 2019 - 02:39 PM

Very nice lens. Wish the APM 152 ED looked like that.



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Posted 26 April 2019 - 02:43 PM

Very nice lens. Wish the APM 152 ED looked like that.

 

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Posted 27 April 2019 - 10:33 AM

Have you had a chance to actually use it under the night sky to see how it performs?  Bench tests are good to confirm the lens quality, but will it also do very well viewing different types of targets?

 

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Posted 05 May 2019 - 01:31 PM

Have you had a chance to actually use it under the night sky to see how it performs?  Bench tests are good to confirm the lens quality, but will it also do very well viewing different types of targets?

 

Bill

 

Yes - its a very sharp optic.  



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Posted 05 May 2019 - 01:37 PM

Wow, that looks great.



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Posted 05 May 2019 - 01:47 PM

Fast optics are best exploited under dark skies it seems to me, from experience.  I observe regularly from LP backyard so I tend to enjoy the longer focal lengths better.

 

The 80S LOMO F6 I had was the exception.  I put in a 32 masuyama and was treated to a 5.5 degree fov which was cool(closer scrutiny of the outer field is best left not done though haha).

 

Even a 22 Nagler was something like 2.5 degrees or so and sublime.  

 

I think the same would go for a scope like this.  Take it to a dark site this summer with wide fov EP's and star hop along the Milky way!



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Posted 05 June 2019 - 01:08 AM

Mine is .983 and incredible views.  We live in unbelievable times.  Cost vs. Quality ratio is truly unfathomable from years ago.



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Posted 05 June 2019 - 08:44 PM

Very nice lens. Wish the APM 152 ED looked like that.

I am sure the APM 152 ED could have a lens with a figure like that if Markus was willing to pay more for the manufacturing, but then you would have to pay at least twice the price for the scope.  

 

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Posted 06 June 2019 - 07:52 AM

I am sure the APM 152 ED could have a lens with a figure like that if Markus was willing to pay more for the manufacturing, but then you would have to pay at least twice the price for the scope.  

 

Steve

 

 

Probably not twice.  But, perhaps an additional $500US or so.

 

But your sentiment is correct - the Chinese manufacturers will make it to any specification for a price.  There was a time not that long ago (~15 years) that lenses at any price form China were not high performing.

 

One additional comment on my test bench images above...  They are highly compressed and reduced JPEGs so the quality of the images for posting on CN are not very good.  The telescope, under test, is terrific.

 

The quality of the OTA is really nice.  I am struck by how good the focuser is.  It feels nearly the same as a Feathertouch 2.5 R/P.  In fact, in the dark, I am not sure I could tell the diff between it and the FT.

 

I was notified that my name came up on the Stowaway list and placed the order a few weeks back, so I may sell the AT92.


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Posted 06 June 2019 - 06:07 PM

I was notified that my name came up on the Stowaway list and placed the order a few weeks back, so I may sell the AT92.

 

Perhaps you should wait until you test the Stowaway.  It may test worse!

 

In any event, please do not sell either until you can post for us a comprehensive shootout between the two in the field waytogo.gif  And if you want a second set of eyes for the test just let me know, will gladly make the drive up to Baltimore area!


Edited by BillP, 06 June 2019 - 06:10 PM.


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Posted 06 June 2019 - 09:17 PM

I agree with BillP. Please wait to sell the AT92 until after you try them side by side and tell us your thoughts.

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Posted 06 June 2019 - 11:46 PM

Perhaps you should wait until you test the Stowaway.  It may test worse!

 

In any event, please do not sell either until you can post for us a comprehensive shootout between the two in the field waytogo.gif  And if you want a second set of eyes for the test just let me know, will gladly make the drive up to Baltimore area!

I agree with Bill. At .983 strehl, like my AT92 and yours, it would be unlikely any telescope of the same aperture could beat it.  I am on the Stowaway list as well but I would not pay the extra after experiencing the perfection of the AT92 at less cost.  I love my AP130 GTX but after my experience with AT92, I am wondering about the TS Optics 130 F7.



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Posted 07 June 2019 - 12:01 AM

This is the one I am thinking of:

https://www.teleskop...PA-focuser.html

 

$1700 vs. $6900 has got me thinking despite the perfection of the AP.

Chas, you are a bad influence.



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Posted 07 June 2019 - 12:11 AM

And the 10-year wait for the AP.  



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Posted 07 June 2019 - 12:15 AM

And the fact that the GTX draw was also airline portable.  One lift of the AP and you will not think about airline portability anymore.  Perfect 5" comes with limitations.



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Posted 08 June 2019 - 11:17 PM

I bought the TS Optics 130 F7.  I will do a comparison with the 130 GTX once it arrives.



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Posted 09 June 2019 - 07:28 PM

And the fact that the GTX draw was also airline portable.  One lift of the AP and you will not think about airline portability anymore.  Perfect 5" comes with limitations.

 

Agree.  My A-P GT130 is more like airline "luggable".  



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Posted 09 June 2019 - 10:29 PM

And the fact that the GTX draw was also airline portable.  One lift of the AP and you will not think about airline portability anymore.  Perfect 5" comes with limitations.

To be sure it ain't light weight.  




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