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#1 rigel123

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Posted 01 June 2019 - 09:21 PM

I received my Hinode Guider the other day and although there was some high cloud cover today it looked uniform enough to give the new "toy" a try.  I posted the unboxing earlier so won't deal with that here but I'll say the Guider is put together well and adding it to my Lunt LS60T DS was very simple.  I replaced the Sol Finder with the included mounting block that comes with the guider.  You specify what scope you will be mounting the guider on when you order.  Set up was extremely easy, and if you don't want to control it with your computer there is no software to download (more on that later).  Here is my set up with the guider in place:

 

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I have marks on my patio that I set my tripod on so that I am roughly polar aligned as long as I don't adjust the Altitude or Azimuth bolts on the iOptron CEM25P mount.  But setting up using a compass and your altitude adjustment on your mount should suffice for the guider to work.

 

The guider has three ports, the USB port which supplies power either from your computer or a powered hub.  It can also be utilized to control the guider and I'll touch on that later.  A port for the hand controller and then an ST4 guide port.  There is a rough alignment setup on top that is utilized just like the Sol Finder by placing the disk of the sun in a yellow dot on top of the guider:

 

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Once attached, I powered up the mount and as soon as you plug the USB cable into your computer the Guider powers up and the hand controller lights and the guider indicates it is ready with a beep. At this point it is in Finder Mode.  A set of lights in the lower right of the HC indicates whether the guider is aligned with the sun.  When you slew to the sun you simply place the image of the sun in the yellow spot on top of the guider and if the guider is aligned well the hand controller will indicate that by lighting the central light in the group of LED's on the lower right of the controller.  I had my camera attached so utilized the image on my laptop to get the sun centered in the FOV.

 

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Once the you have the sun centered and the central light is illuminated on the HC, you hit calibrate and the guider goes through a series of steps where it takes out the backlash from both axis and then moves the image in different directions to determine the amount of movement.  The four LED's around the central one will light at different times to indicate the direction the guider is moving the image.  The calibration takes about 1 minute and if you have a permanent setup you can save that calibration as an AM or PM calibration depending upon which side of the Meridian you did the calibration on.  The guider beeps indicating it is ready.  

 

Now you move your image to the area of interest you want to image and when you have the prom or spot or whatever else you want to focus on where you want it in your FOV you simply push the Guide button and the guider begins guiding.  You can see which direction the guider is correcting in by watching the LED's on the lower right of the HC.  They will blink at different intervals depending upon which way the guider needs to adjust the mount:

 

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The LED's just to the left of the circle of LED's indicates the aggressiveness of the guider.  The default is moderate and you see the middle LED illuminated.  Aggressiveness can be raised or lowered using the direction buttons to the left.

 

I ended up capturing images for 4 separate Animations of 30 minutes each.  What a relief to simply hit Guide and the image stayed right where I wanted it with no drift.  Typically I would sit and make minor adjustments with the hand controller on the mount, which wasn't all bad because I could see any changes that might be happening as I was capturing, but what a nice thing to just set it up, hit guide and I could leave it to do its thing.  Extremely simple to set up and very effective.  Here are two of the animations I have already processed from today:

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After utilizing the guider with the hand controller I downloaded the companies software for controlling the guider with the computer.   Once I downloaded it and started using it, I wondered why the company doesn't offer the guider without the hand controller since once you have the software, there is really no use for the hand controller unless you get a kick out of watching the LED's blink as it is guiding.  To me, it's one less cable to have to deal with as the guider is controlled through the USB cable that powers it.  Here is a shot of the software as I was using it for one of the captures:  (Sorry for the reflection of yours truly!)

 

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You also can save a log of the guiding and you get an indication of the brightness of the sun on the guider so you know if it changes there are likely clouds getting in the way which did happen during my last session.  If the guider loses the sun due to clouds it attempts to find it again and you will see the length of the guiding pulses increase as it moves the image back to where it was as in this shot of the guiding graph:

 

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On the image you see on the top graph the image brightness drops dramatically and in the bottom graph the guider doing longer pulses to get the image back to where it was centered.  

 

From my standpoint the guider is a welcome addition to my setup since I spend most of my imaging time getting images for animations so need the area I am capturing to stay put for extended periods of time.  I can see going after 1 and 2 hour animations since I won't have to attend to the mount to make corrections for drift due to imperfect PA and variations in the tracking by the mount.  For most imagers that are interested in simply getting static shots I don't see the guider as something that will really improve their experience (particularly taking into account the cost)  since they are shooting short videos and moving to other areas of interest.  But for those that want to image the same area multiple times over a long period of time, I think the guider is invaluable!  I also see it as a benefit for use during outreach to ensure that the image is always where you want it during an extended viewing time.

 

 


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Posted 01 June 2019 - 09:24 PM

One last shot of the hand controller.  When the sun is not aligned with the guider the lights are all lit up around the central LED:

 

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Posted 01 June 2019 - 09:36 PM

Great write-up, thanks for the info.
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Posted 01 June 2019 - 09:50 PM

My pleasure!



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Posted 01 June 2019 - 10:46 PM

Warren, 

Thanks for this.  Well explained and perfectly timed.  My order for the Hinode Solar Guider from Cloud Break Optics arrives next week.

Again very nice

 

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Posted 02 June 2019 - 06:01 AM

Warren, 

Thanks for this.  Well explained and perfectly timed.  My order for the Hinode Solar Guider from Cloud Break Optics arrives next week.

Again very nice

 

Dan

That’s great, glad this was helpful and enjoy your new “toy”!


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Posted 02 June 2019 - 07:28 AM

Great info and review Warren!

 

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Posted 02 June 2019 - 12:24 PM

Thanks Marty!  Using it today really gave it a workout when clouds kept blotting out the sun.  Each time the sun disappeared the guider gave out a cute little “sigh” and went through the protocol of finding it when it popped out again.  Each time it brought the prom I was capturing back to the same spot in the reticle on my screen!  You can see when the sun disappeared and then came back out in the attached pic of the guiding graph.  Great little piece of equipment!

 

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Posted 02 June 2019 - 02:31 PM

Warren - thanks for the amazing amount of good information in this thread. 


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Posted 02 June 2019 - 02:44 PM

Great Warren. waytogo.gif


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Posted 02 June 2019 - 05:14 PM

Great review and write up.  I've had mine since NEAF but as yet have put it to use.  I just have very limited time.  I'm trying to put together a permanent set up and this along with the SSM are must haves.

 

You said "After utilizing the guider with the hand controller I downloaded the companies software for controlling the guider with the computer.   Once I downloaded it and started using it, I wondered why the company doesn't offer the guider without the hand controller since once you have the software, there is really no use for the hand controller unless you get a kick out of watching the LED's blink as it is guiding.  To me, it's one less cable to have to deal with as the guider is controlled through the USB cable that powers it."

 

and then "I also see it as a benefit for use during outreach to ensure that the image is always where you want it during an extended viewing time."

 

I think you answered why have the controller.  At NEAF there was one person with the Hinode and she didn't have to touch her mount all day.


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Posted 02 June 2019 - 07:48 PM

Thanks James! My comment about the outreach was that I believe the guider itself would be useful for an Outreach Program to keep the image in the FOV without having to babysit it, but yes, the hand controller would be good in that situation but for anyone that is typically using it for imaging, the HC is redundant since you would be using a computer for capture anyway. And when you think about it, you need something to power the Guider itself with the USB cable and more than likely that would be from a computer.
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Posted 06 August 2019 - 05:14 PM

Warren,

 

I just have to chime in!  I came across this thread and I think this should really be pinned in this forum.  It was here that I first seen about the Hinode Solar Guider by Hutech!  I bought it right away and it came today. 

I followed the instructions from the manual and this thing is a blessing!!!  I was outside in my observatory using this with my new Coronado Solarmax III DS scope. 

 

I just now need to figure out how to capture single frame images with my ZWO ASI224 camera.  Normally I use that camera when imaging the planets and I normally capture them with Firecapture software.  What do you use for capturing single frames?

 

Your captures, and your write up on this is just superb! Excellent! waytogo.gif


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Posted 06 August 2019 - 08:53 PM

Warren,

 

I just have to chime in!  I came across this thread and I think this should really be pinned in this forum.  It was here that I first seen about the Hinode Solar Guider by Hutech!  I bought it right away and it came today. 

I followed the instructions from the manual and this thing is a blessing!!!  I was outside in my observatory using this with my new Coronado Solarmax III DS scope. 

 

I just now need to figure out how to capture single frame images with my ZWO ASI224 camera.  Normally I use that camera when imaging the planets and I normally capture them with Firecapture software.  What do you use for capturing single frames?

 

Your captures, and your write up on this is just superb! Excellent! waytogo.gif

That’s great Len!  I use Firecapture for mine as well and you can use it the same way you do for planets.  At full resolution I can do 54 FPS and at 1024 X 760 I typically get 90 FPS.  I’ll typically capture 500 frames and align and stack those for a single shot.  I typically stack 30% of the frames.



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Posted 07 August 2019 - 12:10 AM

Hutech guider is great, I use one too.  


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Posted 07 August 2019 - 03:36 PM

Ditto, a very well designed tool.  Nice write-up Warren.  The standalone aspect is a huge plus and it is nearly idiot-proof which I appreciate very much grin.gif.  If you're doing animations this really shines (pun intended) by keeping the frame alignments very close from beginning to end minimizing the manual alignment effort.  I've even been able to use Photoshop's auto-align successfully in cases where I've been able to expose proms and surface in the same frames.  Now that's progress!!


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Posted 09 June 2020 - 12:38 PM

Hi Guys,

 

I hope you can help me.

 

I have an LX850 GEM with an LX200 16" OTA. I had used the HiNode guider previously with a LX200 GPS 8" scope with no problems. However, after going through the calibration process the HiNode is unable to track the sun. Even with the least aggressive tracking setting it is all over the place.

 

I contacted HiNode to ask if the LX850 tracking should be off and they said yes. I found in Cloudy Nights a suggestion to set the LX850 telescope tracking off by selecting Terrestrial viewing as this turns off the viewing. The other thing I have not done yet is align the scope. I have just built a 6 x 6 m building with a used ProDome 15' on the top. I am having problems rotating the dome with the motors so have not done a 2 star alignment yet. I thought that because HiNode acts as an autoguider it would not be necessary to have aligned my LX850. Maybe the lack of alignment is the cause of my problem or is it something else?

 

Very grateful for any suggestions.

 

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Posted 09 June 2020 - 12:55 PM

Well, I always have tracking on when guiding my iOptron, I would think you would need tracking on for the scope to move and then the Hinode would just make adjustments.  Can you manually move the scope with the guider controls when you are connected?



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Posted 09 June 2020 - 01:06 PM

Yes you definitely need to be tracking. I either do a solar alignment with my cgem or a 1 star alignment with my ES mount. I just pick any star and accept the position so it starts tracking. I’ll only do a rough polar alignment and I’m set.

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Posted 09 June 2020 - 02:59 PM

Hi Guys,

 

Yes I can manually move the scope using the HiNode program on my PC.

 

Actually it makes sense to have the telescope tracking at solar speed and then HiNode just making small adjustments. It also explains why HiNode is making such big scope movements since there is no tracking and the solar image is continually drifting.

 

Thank you very much. I will test it out tomorrow weather permitting.

 

Best wishes.

 

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Posted 09 June 2020 - 03:54 PM

Hi Guys,

 

Yes I can manually move the scope using the HiNode program on my PC.

 

Actually it makes sense to have the telescope tracking at solar speed and then HiNode just making small adjustments. It also explains why HiNode is making such big scope movements since there is no tracking and the solar image is continually drifting.

 

Thank you very much. I will test it out tomorrow weather permitting.

 

Best wishes.

 

Douglas

Good luck!



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Posted 09 June 2020 - 07:46 PM

Make sure your autoguide speed is set to 1.0x too.



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Posted 10 June 2020 - 12:04 PM

Dear Gray,

 

Thank you for your posting. about autoguide speed to 1.0x.

 

In my LX850 Autostar II handbox the menu tree is

Guide Rates > Auto Rate Cal. 

The value is Test Dec 33%.

 

Should I change this to 100%?

 

I did a very crude Polar alignment (it is daytime so I guessed where the pole star would be) and then did a 1 star alignment on Capella (I just accepted the scope orientation).

 

Another funny thing is my handbox arrow slew controls are mixed up. When I press the up/down  arrows the GEM slews RA and the Left/Right arrows slew Dec.

 

I am obviously doing something very wrong.

 

Thanks.

 

Douglas

 

 

 

 

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Posted 11 June 2020 - 03:44 AM

Couldn't locate the price of the HSG. Can you tell me what you paid for it?



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Posted 11 June 2020 - 05:30 AM

Couldn't locate the price of the HSG. Can you tell me what you paid for it?

It currently sells for $595 and you order the model that has a mount for your scope; Lunt, Coronado or Universal Mount.  

 

https://optcorp.com/search?q=Hinode




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