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Which Classic Japanese 60mm Telescopes are Worth It?

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#51 terraclarke

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Posted 14 June 2019 - 08:02 AM

My Zeiss T1 is nice, and my Mayflower 814 has evolved over 52 years of use still throws up very sharp images and is very transportable. My Swift 839 is the second oldest in the registry (#28 in the brown series, including the 831, 838, and 839 models. I drove over 900 miles round trip in one day to pick it up.

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#52 Garyth64

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Posted 14 June 2019 - 08:06 AM

Yes, those Mayflowers and the Shrine Manons are great little scopes.


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Posted 15 June 2019 - 08:22 PM

Here is another fine 60mm.

Exceptional Carton telescope, and one of the best equatorial mounts.

Robert

 

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Posted 16 June 2019 - 04:06 PM

I think this has already been posted in one of the CL ad threads, but one of these Cartons is for sale in NJ:

 

https://newjersey.cr...6894220914.html

 

Listed for $500. To keep it on the topic of this thread, is it worth it?

 

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Posted 16 June 2019 - 04:20 PM

Chip,
Looking at the ad and my limited time with these vintage instruments,
I would not pay that personally.
Perhaps it is a very rare model and this is a fair price.
It looks to be in great shape,complete, and the mount seems better than many from the time.
But... that's what I paid for my 128 unitron.

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Posted 16 June 2019 - 05:01 PM

I wouldn't pay that much either.  IMO, at the most 1/3, if I really wanted it.



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Posted 16 June 2019 - 10:45 PM

I think this has already been posted in one of the CL ad threads, but one of these Cartons is for sale in NJ:

 

https://newjersey.cr...6894220914.html

 

Listed for $500. To keep it on the topic of this thread, is it worth it?

 

Chip W. 

Dave Trott was selling one last fall for $150 but after a few weeks he relisted it for $100 and guess what happened?

 

I have the brown Swift Aerolite 859 version with metal legs. 

Rather it had the wood ones, but variety is the spice of optical life.  

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It's about as mint as they come.

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I bought it three years ago on ebay for for $87 because it was local pick up only.

Lucky it was only 3 miles from me. biggrin.png

 

To see it's worth I'll need to do another shoot out against some other heavy hitters.


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Posted 20 June 2019 - 02:41 PM

Back to the day that I last did some side by side comparisons. The next scope up was the Celestron/Vixen C 60.

It did not disappoint! It was definitely the king of the day with images bright and super sharp.

I could easily read the word 'Patent' (backwards), on the bracket on the power pole.

it was also visible on the Mayflower but just that much easier to read with the C 60. 

 

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It's certainly a 60mm worth having and a tough one to beat!


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Posted 21 June 2019 - 03:25 AM

In an earlier post I stated how the little Mayflower beat the big Soligor.

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I'm posting these taken while in battle that day just because I like them.

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I have a 60/1000mm Carton objective I could fit into the Soligor,

but before resorting to that I'll have to see if I can figure out why it wasn't up to the job. scratchhead2.gif


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Posted 21 June 2019 - 02:03 PM

Kept three.  1922 Zeiss Traveler, 1961 Goto F20 and an 800mm FL late 50's Asahi. Well four.. Edmund Voyager 6001 F8 surprisingly good that one. It's a travel scope


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#61 Kasmos

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Posted 21 June 2019 - 03:43 PM

Zeiss doesn't count. wink.png  They aren't Japanese and everyone knows they are good....

 

....but are they worth their price? 

 

That's it's own topic!


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Posted 21 June 2019 - 08:32 PM

I have the Astro R-61D, two SPI 60x1200mm, two Stellar 60x1200mm, one Goto 60x1200mm.   I'd say I see a 60mm f/20 come up about once a year, the trick is finding them before someone else does.

 

I would have no problem choosing the Astro over a short 60mm Tak apo, unless my goal was wide-field scanning, and then the choice is based on focal length rather than flourite.  wink.gif

I still remember picking up the 60 f20 I have.  while I was paying the guy for the scope you were on the phone asking the guy if he would ship cool.gif


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Posted 21 June 2019 - 08:33 PM

Zeiss doesn't count. wink.png  They aren't Japanese and everyone knows they are good....

 

....but are they worth their price? 

 

That's it's own topic!

of course they are.  You will never lose any money on one.



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Posted 21 June 2019 - 10:24 PM

I still remember picking up the 60 f20 I have.  while I was paying the guy for the scope you were on the phone asking the guy if he would ship cool.gif

Oh, I lost out on a couple of those before finally getting one.  Bob Wolpert got the better of me on one as well!   But patience eventually paid-off, I got a really nice specimen direct from Japan, for a good price.


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Posted 22 June 2019 - 10:23 AM

Zeiss doesn't count. wink.png  They aren't Japanese and everyone knows they are good....

 

....but are they worth their price? 

 

That's it's own topic!

I must have had a brain glitch or an ADHD attack when I posted my Zeiss. For some reason I was responding to the 60mm thing and missed the Japanese Qualifier. So out of maybe ten or so, I have wound up with four Japanese keepers:

 

  1. Takahashi FC-60 F8 Fluorite
  2. Mayflower 60mm x 700mm (APL, 1965)
  3. Swift Model 839 60mm x 810mm (AMA, ~1960)
  4. Unitron Model 114 62mm x 900mm (Nihon-Seiko, 1955)

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Posted 22 June 2019 - 10:50 AM

Here's a very nice Lafayette.

Notice the exceptionally neato mount.

And notice the monstrous finder clamchipfrown.gif

The finder still works, it's just a little fuzzy over there where the clam lives.

Robert

 

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Posted 22 June 2019 - 10:59 AM

I think, 2 of the best classic 60 mm refractors were the SYW Yamamoto 60/1000 mm and 60/1200 mm models with superb and nearly CA-free optics !

 

Kind regards, Michael Aaron


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Posted 22 June 2019 - 01:30 PM

Oh, I lost out on a couple of those before finally getting one.  Bob Wolpert got the better of me on one as well!   But patience eventually paid-off, I got a really nice specimen direct from Japan, for a good price.

 

I was trying to save you all that money, Chuck! smile.gif

I miss those telescope buying days. It was really fun to buy and restore. At that time I was imagining that I’d have better observing and storage conditions in my retirement. But . . . Not so much. undecided.gif




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