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#1 rkelley8493

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Posted 27 June 2019 - 08:20 PM

Out of all the great eyepiece series currently in the market [Ethos, Pentax XW, Delos, ES 100°, etc], which eyepiece ranks #1 out of each series? 

 

For Explore Sci 100° - I rank the 14mm as the best

Explore Sci 92° - 12mm

Delos - 8mm

Pentax XW - Tied between the 7mm & 10mm

Ethos - I don't know, haven't tried them all, but I really like the 4.7- SX

 

What are some of the other great series' standouts? Which do you rank #1 out of those mentioned?


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Posted 27 June 2019 - 11:00 PM

I LOVE all my ES 100* EP's! Makes me forget I don't have any T-V's.

 

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Posted 27 June 2019 - 11:29 PM

I LOVE all my ES 100* EP's! Makes me forget I don't have any T-V's.

 

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I like the 9mm ES better than the 14mm.  I think those two are the best in 100 deg series with the 20mm being the worst (not a bad ep though) I hear the 25mm has issues, but I have never looked through one.


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Posted 28 June 2019 - 12:16 AM

The best in my tests were:

 

4.5 mm Baader Morpheus

8.8 and 18 mm 82-deg. Explore Scientific

8.8 mm Meade UWA 5000

8 and 10 mm Delos

3.7 and 6 mm Ethos (SX)

16 mm Nagler

8 and 10 mm Radian

9 and 15 mm Vixen NLV


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Posted 28 June 2019 - 12:30 AM

Ethos 17 is the best of its line IMHO, though all of them are extremely good - no weak siblings in the Ethos line (I have the entire set of Ethos).


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Posted 28 June 2019 - 12:36 AM

I pick up my ES100’s this Saturday from the local buyer finally? can’t wait to try them out.

ES82 24mm in my old 10” dob
ES82 18mm in my SW120ED
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Posted 28 June 2019 - 12:47 AM

All still buyable...

 

22mm Vixen LVW

17.5mm Baader Morpheus

17.5mm Nikon NAV SW

18.2mm TV Delite

14mm Orion LHD

35mm TV Panoptic

30mm APM UFF

10mm Pentax XW

40mm Meade SWA 5000

22mm Celestron Ultima LX

15mm Vixen LV

40mm TV Plossl

25mm TAL Plossl

32mm Takahashi Abbe

35mm Baader Eudiascopic

5.2mm Pentax XL

12mm ES92

48mm Brandon

 

TV Paracorr 2 coma corrector

 

Zeiss Abbe 2x Barlow

Nikon EiC 1.6x Barlow

Antares 1.6x Barlow 2"

 

Baader CI BBHS astronomical prism diagonal

Astro Physics mirror diagonal


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Posted 28 June 2019 - 08:05 AM

The only “complete” set I have used are the Type 4 Naglers. The 12 and 17 are great, but the 22 is really something special.
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Posted 28 June 2019 - 09:28 AM

Ethos: 13mm

Nagler Type 4: 22mm

Nagler Type 5: 31mm

Nagler Type 6: 9 or 13mm

DeLite: 9mm...so far

Meade Series 5K UWA: 14mm


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Posted 28 June 2019 - 09:38 AM

I have the complete set of the T6's (less the 3.5mm).  Love them all, and couldn't really pick a favorite.  I like each one in the appropriate magnification it is designed for.  Surprisingly, although I only own one T5, the 16mm T5 is one of the most useful, fantastically performing eyepieces I possess.  Very light weight, it has all the TFOV of a 25mm plössl, in a package not that much heavier than one, but with a magnification that's astoundingly detailed -- extremely useful eyepiece.  But the 7mm T6 performs suberbly as well when you want more power.  Another honorable mention is the Explore Scientific 28mm 68*.  Very nice, wide field.  Heaviest eyepiece I own, but well worth it, and still not very heavy by 2" widefield standards.  For precision, I like the 6mm Baader Classic Ortho.  6mm is a sweet spot to me, for planetary and double stars, and the BCO, though with tight eye relief, delivers the goods.


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Posted 28 June 2019 - 10:59 AM

Delos: 10 mm 

XW: 10 mm (7 mm right there with it)

Ethos: 17 mm

ES 68: 24 mm

ES 82: 30 mm favorite, (4.7, 11, or 18 prob the best)

Nagler T4: 22 mm 

Nagler T5: 31 mm (16 mm is tack sharp)

Nagler T6: 13 mm

Morpheus: 12.5 mm (6.5, 9, 12.5, and 17.5 mm are all very very good, 4.5 is good but has edge of field brightening, haven't tried 14 mm but read it may have some field curvature)

Panoptic: 24 mm 

Meade 5000 UWA: 5.5 mm 


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Posted 28 June 2019 - 11:07 AM

Pentax smc ortho = 18mm

Pentax XP= 3.8mm

Pentax XF = 8.5mm

Pentax XL =10.5mm

 

Nagler T5= 31mm

Nagler T4 = 17mm

Nagler Original 4.8mm

 

televue plossl 17 mm

televue WF 24mm

televue Panoptic 41mm

Ethos 13mm

 

Celestron erfles 16mm

 

Meade RG ortho 7mm

Meade RG WF 10.5mm

 

Nikon ortho 5mm

 

Brandon 48mm

 

Leitz 30mm 88

 

Your list will vary as your eyes and scopes are different then mine. 


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Posted 28 June 2019 - 11:32 AM

Out of all the great eyepiece series currently in the market [Ethos, Pentax XW, Delos, ES 100°, etc], which eyepiece ranks #1 out of each series? 

 

For Explore Sci 100° - I rank the 14mm as the best

Explore Sci 92° - 12mm

Delos - 8mm

Pentax XW - Tied between the 7mm & 10mm

Ethos - I don't know, haven't tried them all, but I really like the 4.7- SX

 

What are some of the other great series' standouts? Which do you rank #1 out of those mentioned?

Ethos: 17mm, 10mm, 6mm, 3.7mm.  Tied between 6mm and 10mm in my scope.  In superb seeing, the 6mm may have the edge.

Delite: 18.2mm, with a nod to the 7mm.  Reports show some lateral CAEP on the 18.2, but I haven't used it on the Moon, so I haven't seen it.

Delos: 10mm, with a nod to the 6mm

Nagler: Tie: 16mm T5, 13mm T6

Panoptic: 24mm and 19mm tie.

TV Plössl: 20mm

 

These are not necessarily my favorite-to-use eyepiece in each range, not is it a list of which eyepiece is easiest to use in each series.

I'm merely ranking for sharpness, good contrast, and lack of aberrations to the edge of the field, based on what I've seen.

So you have to take my opinions with a grain of salt.  I use a coma-corrected f/5 dob and a 4" f/7 triplet apo as telescopes.

My comments would be different if judging chromatic aberration in the outer field, immersiveness, exit pupil ease of acquisition and lack of sensitivity in placement,

and just plain "impressive-as-heck" field appearance.

To that last one, if all the Naglers disappeared, I'd keep the 22mm and let the rest go, but it's not on the list.

To quote Darth Vader: "Impressive.  Most impressive!"


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Posted 28 June 2019 - 01:51 PM

I forgot to mention the Naglers and ES 82's in my list..

 

22 T4 Nagler is my favorite and "best" for me. The 31 T5 is no slouch either, but I think the performance is better on the 22. 

Similar with the ES 82's. Out of the ones I tried and used, I thought the 8.8 was the best performer, and the 30 was my favorite to use.


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Posted 28 June 2019 - 01:58 PM

What a great thread! I am glad to see I have a few in my moderate collection. The ES 8.8mm Nagler 13mm T6 and the 19mm Pan.

 

Oh, I see no one posted a zoom so, I'll add my Baader 8-24 Mark III zoom.


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Posted 28 June 2019 - 03:50 PM

As a preview of what this thread will become we already have the 17mm, 13mm, 10mm, 6mm, and 3.7mm Ethos identified as the best in the line with some love thrown at the 4.7mm Ethos.  Feeling bad for the poor underperforming 21mm and 8mm Ethos. :)


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Posted 28 June 2019 - 03:56 PM

And yet the 8mm may have the most easily-accessed and retained exit pupil of the whole set.


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Posted 28 June 2019 - 04:10 PM

And yet the 8mm may have the most easily-accessed and retained exit pupil of the whole set.

I’ve only used the 6mm and 8mm and I thought the 8mm was excellent!


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Posted 28 June 2019 - 04:11 PM

We're only talking about the difference between 95% and 100% here.  Both scores merit an A.


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Posted 28 June 2019 - 04:31 PM

As a preview of what this thread will become we already have the 17mm, 13mm, 10mm, 6mm, and 3.7mm Ethos identified as the best in the line with some love thrown at the 4.7mm Ethos.  Feeling bad for the poor underperforming 21mm and 8mm Ethos. smile.gif

I wouldn't call the 21 Ethos "underperforming". It's the best in its focal length class for ~20mm 100° [in my humble opinion]. The ES 20/100° was a bit of a letdown for me, probably because I bought it new at full retail, but also for its mediocre performance. It's a well built and good looking eyepiece, but looking thru the eye lens, the first thing I noticed was the light scatter killing the contrast. It was like there was a light gray curtain pulled down in front of the eyepiece. 


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Posted 28 June 2019 - 05:48 PM

Favorite EPs of a series:
10 XW
27 Pan.
10 ZAO2
18 HD Japanese ortho (BV pair)
28 RKE
14 Delos: only one I have but it's definitely a favorite.
15 TV Ploessl
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Posted 28 June 2019 - 06:08 PM

I wouldn't call the 21 Ethos "underperforming". It's the best in its focal length class for ~20mm 100° [in my humble opinion]. The ES 20/100° was a bit of a letdown for me, probably because I bought it new at full retail, but also for its mediocre performance. It's a well built and good looking eyepiece, but looking thru the eye lens, the first thing I noticed was the light scatter killing the contrast. It was like there was a light gray curtain pulled down in front of the eyepiece. 

I was just trying to be funny.  It is likely that at some point every FL of every line mentioned will be identifies as the best.


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Posted 28 June 2019 - 06:18 PM

My taste only
XW-10mm
Naglers T4-tie 17mm 22mm
Naglers T2 20mm
Naglers T5 31mm
Brandon's - 48mm
CZJ Ortho - 10MM
ZAO Ortho - 6mm
Take LE - 7.5mm
TV plossl - 32mm
Delos - 12mm
And so on & so forth

Thinking about it some more..
There's a lot of high end lines that ought to be here , but I can't think back more than 20yrs
Vixens LV
Panoptic
Ultimas
Parks gold
Clave
Circle T's
Older Masuyama's



Etc etc ect

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Posted 28 June 2019 - 07:24 PM

I’m surprised the 16T5 gets a vote, with the really tight ER. Don’t get me wrong, it is a great little eyepiece, I do use it mono, but prefer it as a Bino eyepiece, the ER doesn’t seem to bother me much when Bino viewing.

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Posted 28 June 2019 - 08:20 PM

I’m surprised the 16T5 gets a vote, with the really tight ER. Don’t get me wrong, it is a great little eyepiece, I do use it mono, but prefer it as a Bino eyepiece, the ER doesn’t seem to bother me much when Bino viewing.

Would the 16 T5 be to Naglers as the 18mm is for ES 82°?

I mean that by "some love it, some hate it" type of eyepiece. 




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