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#26 Tyson M

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Posted 28 June 2019 - 08:39 PM

I preferred the 10 and 6 delos over the 10 and 7XW. My favorite XW was actually the 20mm, despite its field curvature. 

 

The 10Ethos was the finest I used, over the 6,8.  Funny I returned to the 8 again to try out.

 

31mm nagler t5 was better than the 20mm t5

 

The best t6's, were the 13, 11 and the 7....all likely tied. I love them all until I needed glasses.

 

22T4 was better than the two 12mm I had. 

 

So far every Brandon I used I have loved.  have the 32, 24, 16 now. I will buy the 48 again when I get a scope for it.  

 

Edit: for tele vue plossls they were all about the same, but I enjoyed the 32 and 55 the most. 11 was super sharp but a bit uncomfortable with the ER. I had the 25 and 20 as well but didnt use them much or thought they stood out more than the  rest.

 

Delites, the 11 and 4mm, both are amazing and would buy them again in the right scopes. Only two I tried though.

 

That is with my eyes, with my scopes.


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Posted 28 June 2019 - 09:30 PM

TV Delos - all excellent
UWAN - 7mm (also very nice with GSO 1.5x screw on barlow element)
Baader Hyperion - 31mm Aspheric
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Posted 29 June 2019 - 11:34 AM

30mm Pentax XW is tied with the 10mm for my favorite.


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Posted 29 June 2019 - 03:24 PM

Unless you've tried the full sets of eypeieces, this is a tough question to answer, and there's always the variations in 'scopes use.. . .

 

FWIW, I have had a full set of Ethos, and I think the best for me was the 10, after that 17 and 6 would vie for second spot and be very close.

 

I have a full set of XWs, and the 7 and 10 are excellent. There's quite a hubub around the 30, which to my eye shows lateral color and astigmatism at the edge, as well as a little field curvature. I think the 40 is the better eyepiece. Performance of the XWs is scope dependent. Relatively long refractors work great--I had a 6" F8, and that really matched them nicely.

 

From the Explore Scientific 100 degrees, I had the 9, 14 and 20. The 14 was easily the best of the bunch, followed by the 9. Never tried the 5.5.

 

Outside of that, I have had a couple of Morpheus, only the 14 and 17.5. The latter is a tiny bit better. I hear quite a lot of comments about the 14 being a poor eyepiece. I found you really have to be looking for the aberrations and was quite perplexed by the negative views.

 

I've not had much luck with Orthos. I compared 6mm from Takahashi and University Optics, and found the latter was slightly ahead.

 

But I do have the 32mm Tak orthos, and they are extremely sharp (what I was hoping for from the 6).

 

For the Nikon HW "series", the 17 edges out the 12.5. My favorite 'single' focal length eyepiece. Extremely sharp, comfortable, and wide.

 

The only Brandon I have is the 48, but it is up there with the 17 Nikon for sharpness. Both give the impression of being very finely polished, low-scatter views. The glass disappears and you feel you have an open window to the stars.


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Posted 30 June 2019 - 04:14 PM

Anyone have a ranking for Takahashi eyepieces? 

Specifically, the TAK-UW, LE, TOE, and MC Abbe series.



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Posted 30 June 2019 - 07:59 PM

I’ll go for the low hanging fruit:

Pentax XO: 5 mm
Edmund RKE: 28 mm
Panoptic: 24 mm
Pentax XW 3.5 to 20 mm: 10 mm
Pentax XW 30 to 40 mm: 40 mm, with the 30 almost a tie
TMB Paragon: 40 mm

 

 

 


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#32 Svalbard

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Posted 30 June 2019 - 09:23 PM

Anyone have a ranking for Takahashi eyepieces? 

Specifically, the TAK-UW, LE, TOE, and MC Abbe series.

I be curious if one of the MC Abbe stood out. I’d suspect the 4mm TOE is king in that series.


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Posted 30 June 2019 - 11:04 PM

Anyone have a ranking for Takahashi eyepieces? 

Specifically, the TAK-UW, LE, TOE, and MC Abbe series.

I have the Takahashi UW set. Since they can't host DioptRx, I only use them in combination with scopes where the exit pupil is 1mm or smaller and in those situations they are my favorite 10mm-and-under eyepieces, with 90° AFOV and sufficient eye relief. I frankly don't see any one of the 10, 7, 5.7, 3.3mm FLs as best among them.

 

I also have the Takahashi TOE set. I use them under the best seeing conditions I get, when their trifle greater revealing qualities and contrast are worth the narrower AFOV, and maybe I can sometimes persuade myself that the 3.3mm is best among the 4.0, 3.3, 2.5mm set, but I'd be lying if I represented that as conclusive.

 

Among Delites, Naglers, Pentax XW, I can agree on some of the noted "best-of" designations, but I think these distinctions are so thin as to not really be actionable. For the most part, the family traits prevail and they are vastly more alike in traits, than different.

 

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Posted 30 June 2019 - 11:29 PM

I don't really see how an eyepiece can be judged independently of focal length and exit pupil, and the telescope being used. 21 mm Ethos serves are very different purpose than an 8 mm. How they play out with the observer's eye is also important. 

 

Personally I like the 13 mm and 21 mm Ethos most but my experience is limited and it's really the views in my telescopes they provide that sets them apart.   In my 22 inch with a Paracorr 2,

that's 134 x with a 0.74 degree field and a 4 mm exit pupil.. it's totally awesome.

 

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Posted 01 July 2019 - 06:34 AM

 

 

Among Delites, Naglers, Pentax XW, I can agree on some of the noted "best-of" designations, but I think these distinctions are so thin as to not really be actionable. For the most part, the family traits prevail and they are vastly more alike in traits, than different.

 

 

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Posted 17 September 2019 - 12:29 PM

Which is the best of Baader Morpheus, APM HDC & UFF, Nikon NAV-SW & NAV-HW?



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Posted 17 September 2019 - 12:43 PM

Which is the best of Baader Morpheus, APM HDC & UFF, Nikon NAV-SW & NAV-HW?

Morpheus 17.5 & 9mm

APM UFF 30mm

Nikon SW 17.5mm for eye relief and comfort, my #1 pair for bino viewing.


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Posted 17 September 2019 - 01:35 PM

Which is the best of Baader Morpheus, APM HDC & UFF, Nikon NAV-SW & NAV-HW?

Best at what?

Best eye relief?  Morpheus.

Best value?  APM HDC XWA

Best for control of aberrations?  Nikon NAV-HW  It's not even in the same class as the others in an f/4.5 scope.

Best in a spotting scope for daytime use?  Nikon NAV-SW

Best low-weight eyepieces for a small scope?  APM UFF

It depends what you want to use the eyepiece for.

There isn't just one answer.


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Posted 17 September 2019 - 01:40 PM

Best at what?

Best eye relief?  Morpheus.

Best value?  APM HDC XWA

Best for control of aberrations?  Nikon NAV-HW  It's not even in the same class as the others in an f/4.5 scope.

Best in a spotting scope for daytime use?  Nikon NAV-SW

Best low-weight eyepieces for a small scope?  APM UFF

It depends what you want to use the eyepiece for.

There isn't just one answer.

I meant the best of each Series..

The best Morpheus is [#]mm

The best APM HDC is [#]mm

The best UFF is [#]mm

and so on..

Good answer though waytogo.gif


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Posted 17 September 2019 - 03:32 PM

Picking the best Morpheus has proven hard for me. My first Morpheus venture was the 17.5 and I thought it was a great view. Then I picked up a 9mm and it became my favorite eyepiece - not that it was better than the 17.5, but scanning the Milky Way w/ a fast scope was lots of fun. Then came the 12.5 and if you were to ask me now I would say that it is currently my favorite. Lastly, I've picked up a 6.5, and while I don't use it as much as the others I have no reason for thinking it's not just as good as the rest have been.

The thing is I can tell you that I like the 12.5 currently but I can't tell you why the 12.5 is better than the 17.5 (or the 9 or the 6.5). I think I'm just looking at the same view thru different magnifications, and using the 80mm f/5 or the 102mm f/7 doesn't seem to matter. Using the 127 Mak - well, I haven't seen an eyepiece that wouldn't work in the Mak, so it doesn't count.

I've paid attention to what others have said about favorites in this line and I can't say as I have found any consistency. The post above chooses the 17.5 and the 9, but makes no reference to why or how many Morphi were compared. I'd say if you want a Morpheus eyepiece, just pick the magnification desired and have at it.


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Posted 17 September 2019 - 07:55 PM

Out of all the great eyepiece series currently in the market, which eyepiece ranks #1 out of each series? 

9ES120 is simply a fabulous EP

25ES100 is the only member of its series.

 

13E of the Ethoi

31NT5 of the NT5 series

30mm 88º Lietz for scopes slower than F/5



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Posted 17 September 2019 - 08:10 PM

9ES120 is simply a fabulous EP

25ES100 is the only member of its series.

 

13E of the Ethoi

31NT5 of the NT5 series

30mm 88º Lietz for scopes slower than F/5

I think you meant 30ES100 for the second eyepiece mentioned, as the 25mm is in a series with the 20, 14, 9, and 5.5mm.

Now if you meant the 25mm 100° is the only 100° eyepiece longer than 21mm, then you are correct.


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Posted 17 September 2019 - 09:40 PM

Best eyepieces that stand out with the scopes I own, sorted by focal length, per my twisted old guy experiences:

 

56mm Meade Super Possl Smoothie - Jaeger 6" f15

32mm TV Possl  - Jaeger 100mm f15

32mm Celstron Erfle (Close 2nd) - Jaeger 100mm f15

17mm TV Nagler t4- Bakersfield Home Brew 14.5" dob.

13mm TV Ethos - Teeter 20" f3.6

12mm Nagler t4 - Cave 12.5" f5

12mm Edmund Scientific Otho - Edmund Scientific 6" f8

9mm Meade ortho - Edmund Scientific 4.5" f10

8mm TV Ethos - Teeter 20" f3.6 

6MM TV Ethos - Teeter 20" f3.6

5mm Nagler t6 - Teeter 20" f3.6

 

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Posted 17 September 2019 - 10:03 PM

Picking the best Morpheus has proven hard for me. My first Morpheus venture was the 17.5 and I thought it was a great view. Then I picked up a 9mm and it became my favorite eyepiece - not that it was better than the 17.5, but scanning the Milky Way w/ a fast scope was lots of fun. Then came the 12.5 and if you were to ask me now I would say that it is currently my favorite. Lastly, I've picked up a 6.5, and while I don't use it as much as the others I have no reason for thinking it's not just as good as the rest have been.

The thing is I can tell you that I like the 12.5 currently but I can't tell you why the 12.5 is better than the 17.5 (or the 9 or the 6.5). I think I'm just looking at the same view thru different magnifications, and using the 80mm f/5 or the 102mm f/7 doesn't seem to matter. Using the 127 Mak - well, I haven't seen an eyepiece that wouldn't work in the Mak, so it doesn't count.

I've paid attention to what others have said about favorites in this line and I can't say as I have found any consistency. The post above chooses the 17.5 and the 9, but makes no reference to why or how many Morphi were compared. I'd say if you want a Morpheus eyepiece, just pick the magnification desired and have at it.

I feel you on that! Some series are just so good that there isn't a weak link among them, TeleVue Delos for example [and judging by what I've heard, so are the Morpheus]. However, there are some series with excellent focal lengths and "just okay" focal lengths, Type 4 Naglers for example [in particular, the 22mm and 12mm respectively]. The Pentax XW may fall into that category with the 14mm and 20mm, but I can't comment due to never using them [I've heard that those have issues with field curvature].


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Posted 18 September 2019 - 01:33 AM

I feel you on that! Some series are just so good that there isn't a weak link among them, TeleVue Delos for example [and judging by what I've heard, so are the Morpheus]. However, there are some series with excellent focal lengths and "just okay" focal lengths, Type 4 Naglers for example [in particular, the 22mm and 12mm respectively]. The Pentax XW may fall into that category with the 14mm and 20mm, but I can't comment due to never using them [I've heard that those have issues with field curvature].

There's also a little FC in the 17.5 Morpheus, though not nearly as much as those XWs. I also had the 14, and was very surprised to see negative reviews. Maybe I got lucky on a good one. But 17.5 and 14 are the only ones I tried. It woulds like the 9 and 12.5 are the pick of the series.

 

I've had the Ethos set, and believe the 10 and 17 were the best--sharpest of the lot.

 

For XWs, my favorites are the 7 and 10. Not sharper than any others on axis, but the whole field is very good.

 

Nikon HWs, only two there, but the 17 is a tiny bit sharper than the 12.5. But they are both extremely good eyepieces (what caused me to sell of some Ethos focal lengths).

 

I don't have enough experience of other series to say a best of, but do have some options on the focal lengths I tried. I really disliked the Nikon 17.5 SW--truly hideous barrel distortion. Really better for spotting scopes in daytime use, and people with tracking mounts.

 

Takahashi orthos, have a pair of 32s for binoviewing, and they are extremely sharp. Also tried the 6mm as a planetary eyepiece. It was not as good as a less expensive UO 6mm, and neither give the same impression of sharpness of those 32s. If there are better in the line, I would be inclined to try them.


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Posted 18 September 2019 - 04:31 AM

12.5 Docter... wink.gif

 

I once owned many of the LVW series, the only one that remains is the 22mm. The others were good but have since been replaced by newer and better designs (Delos, Docter and Morpheus). So far the 22mm has not yet been made obsolete in my collection. I also found it gave the best performance and presentation in it's series.


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Posted 18 September 2019 - 08:01 AM

Best eyepieces that stand out with the scopes I own, sorted by focal length, per my twisted old guy experiences:

 

56mm Meade Super Possl Smoothie - Jaeger 6" f15

32mm TV Possl  - Jaeger 100mm f15

32mm Celstron Erfle (Close 2nd) - Jaeger 100mm f15

17mm TV Nagler t4- Bakersfield Home Brew 14.5" dob.

13mm TV Ethos - Teeter 20" f3.6

12mm Nagler t4 - Cave 12.5" f5

12mm Edmund Scientific Otho - Edmund Scientific 6" f8

9mm Meade ortho - Edmund Scientific 4.5" f10

8mm TV Ethos - Teeter 20" f3.6 

6MM TV Ethos - Teeter 20" f3.6

5mm Nagler t5 - Teeter 20" f3.6

 

Sorry if I did not play by the rules.

My very first eyepiece, which I still have & use is a Vixen 32mm FL 36.4mm fit circle-V. Excellent quality with no astigmatism. I have seen double-circle-V tne same. Also own a 2" Vixen stickered Erfle, not as good.

 

Following those I bought a 2" 35mm Panoptic, IMO the best of that line. But most recently a 30mm APM UFF (another "best"), which is as eye-easy as the Erfles, and less heavy than the Pan.


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Posted 18 September 2019 - 10:06 AM

I think you meant 30ES100 for the second eyepiece mentioned, as the 25mm is in a series with the 20, 14, 9, and 5.5mm.

Now if you meant the 25mm 100° is the only 100° eyepiece longer than 21mm, then you are correct.

I am pretty sure the 25ES100 has different optical prescription (lense count, surface radii) than the others in the 2" *ES100 line.



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Posted 18 September 2019 - 10:22 AM

6.6mm Orthostar....yea, its old.



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Posted 18 September 2019 - 10:40 AM

Best eyepieces that stand out with the scopes I own, sorted by focal length, per my twisted old guy experiences:

 

56mm Meade Super Possl Smoothie - Jaeger 6" f15

32mm TV Possl  - Jaeger 100mm f15

32mm Celstron Erfle (Close 2nd) - Jaeger 100mm f15

17mm TV Nagler t4- Bakersfield Home Brew 14.5" dob.

13mm TV Ethos - Teeter 20" f3.6

12mm Nagler t4 - Cave 12.5" f5

12mm Edmund Scientific Otho - Edmund Scientific 6" f8

9mm Meade ortho - Edmund Scientific 4.5" f10

8mm TV Ethos - Teeter 20" f3.6 

6MM TV Ethos - Teeter 20" f3.6

5mm Nagler t6 - Teeter 20" f3.6

 

Sorry if I did not play by the rules.

Not sure what the rules are, but a very nice job. It's hard to choose a "best" eyepiece without asking "the best at what" and "the best in which scope?".


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