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#76 Chuck Hards

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Posted 16 July 2019 - 09:42 AM

I'm glad you have clear skies, the only clear night I've had in the last month had lousy seeing.  Nothing recent to report.  And now I'm on a work marathon so it's a good time for the moon to be full.

 

Rolo, the only time I look at planets with tiny scopes anymore is to help evaluate the optics when they first arrive, or to compare them with others, I never use them to just "observe" from the city anymore.  There's just not enough aperture to really see much detail.  I see sub-3-inch scopes as mostly collectibles, not a serious observing tool, at least from the suburbs.  They need dark skies to pull in the DS stuff- which they can do, but not when fighting light pollution.  That pretty much leaves just doubles.

 

I think the only other exception anymore is solar and lunar.  Plenty of light for small scopes with those targets.


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Posted 16 July 2019 - 09:57 AM

I'm glad you have clear skies, the only clear night I've had in the last month had lousy seeing.  Nothing recent to report.  And now I'm on a work marathon so it's a good time for the moon to be full.

 

Rolo, the only time I look at planets with tiny scopes anymore is to help evaluate the optics when they first arrive, or to compare them with others, I never use them to just "observe" from the city anymore.  There's just not enough aperture to really see much detail.  I see sub-3-inch scopes as mostly collectibles, not a serious observing tool, at least from the suburbs.  They need dark skies to pull in the DS stuff- which they can do, but not when fighting light pollution.  That pretty much leaves just doubles.

 

I think the only other exception anymore is solar and lunar.  Plenty of light for small scopes with those targets.

Yes--they work great on Lunar!  I was starting my moon party (all this week) with the Unitron 50mm (the 105)--waiting for the moon to peak out from clouds. This little thing puts up great views!

 

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Posted 18 July 2019 - 10:32 PM

Yes--they work great on Lunar!  I was starting my moon party (all this week) with the Unitron 50mm (the 105)--waiting for the moon to peak out from clouds. This little thing puts up great views!

 

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What got me hooked on astronomy was my first time i saw the moon through afriends 50mm Tasco back in the early 70'. I was 8 or 9 and i was blown away!


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Posted 18 July 2019 - 11:29 PM

I’ve been wanting a 40mm Unitron for years and just missed one this week on the classifieds! Congratulations to the lucky buyer and I hope you post pictures!



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Posted 21 July 2019 - 05:30 PM

I still have t figur d out what this is. 

I remember Edmund selling an inspection microscope that utilized that stand. Are you sure someone didn’t kludge that out of one? Looks like they either slapped a diagonal on the ‘microscope’ tube or they replaced the microscope ota with a finder. If someone here has some old Edmund catalogs from circa 1963 to 1966 (the old black and white, non-glossy, Farmers Almanac format ones), I bet they can find it. I distinctly remember it. 


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Posted 21 July 2019 - 05:46 PM

This is what I was remembering, (catalog #671, p.92). It’s similar, but not the same. Maybe yours thingie was made from a similar but more complicated device Tim?

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Posted 22 July 2019 - 09:00 PM

Unlike many on this form, I did not have a small, well built clasic first telescope to start out with. I had a plastic red Tasco. 50 mm of shaking peep hole views. The moon was cool when I could find it and eventually I bought bigger and better. It occurred to me that it might be fun to try a quality made little 50 so I picked up this Monolux off of SGW for 20 something dollars delivered. This scope is really well made! Smooth function, usable focusing, and sharp images. Jupiter and Saturn show some details and unlike my poor little red tasco, star fields are visible. Best of all is the nearly full moon in a 40 mm eyepiece showing the marble ball effect!  Chris.

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Posted 22 July 2019 - 09:01 PM

Added a tripod mount for more versatile use.

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Posted 24 July 2019 - 12:44 AM

I think this could be the best topic I've ever seen out here from any catagory. Thank you Rolo for bringing up this tiny classic thread.

This is my Meade 50mm F12 refractor with my CG-4 mount. I have a 0.965 diagonal I bought at Surplus Shed and it works perfectly. I have some modern 0,965 eyepieces I bought also and use. 

 On the day of this photo a few weeks ago, I was using my new hybrid diagonal with my ES 1.25 in eyepieces. The views are very sharp and the scope performs very well which surprises the few friends who have seen me use this scope.

 I couldnt find tube rings, so I used 50mm finder scope rings with nylon scews to hold the scope in place. It works very well on my Vixen dovetail bracket. 

 The counterweights are 12 ounce ceramic rings used in tuning filters I found at work being thrown out. The center hold was just the perfect size for me to add just a thin layer of felt to the inside to allow them to slide up my counterweight shaft perfectly without slipping.

 Also, I had a machinist I work with cut 3/4" off the back of the scope and redrill the holes so the the focuser fits flush as it did origionally. This now gives me enough infocus to use my hybrid diagonal with any eyepiece I have. The focuser is excellent on this scope also. 

 This size refractor is excellent for watching full moon events, Lunar eclipes, and also does well with a white light solar scope. Its also impressive for double stars and small asterisms.

 

...Ralph in Sac.

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Posted 24 July 2019 - 09:41 AM

Thanks Ralph, I try to think of new and different topics but quite frankly I'm running out of ideas!

 

I have that same scope in really rough cosmetic condition but the optics are in good shape and performs great! Its a perfect match for my just as rough C8 as a guide-scope.

 

I would like to see more postings of actual observations but I think most of us have them as collectibles and use larger scopes for viewing.



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Posted 24 July 2019 - 10:19 AM

I'd love to do more observing with these Tiny Classics, but I gotta have a gap or two in the clouds.

 

Rolando, you get the credit (or blame?) for my buying the FC-50; just as Charlie gets it for hooking me on these long 50mm & 40mm fracs.  And after using them, I understood why the Japanese crafted serious alt/az & EQ platforms for them.  And as this thread shows, they're still serious instruments after 50 & 60 years.


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Posted 24 July 2019 - 12:24 PM

I still maintain that anything smaller than 60mm is a finder! I only personally know one serious amateur astronomer who uses them. lol.gif

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Posted 24 July 2019 - 01:27 PM

I just purchased a Tak FC-60 so I may end up putting this up for sale along with my 60mm Tasco 7TE-5 soon.
I've been slowly thinning out my scopes, trying to get down to a manageable number so I don't need overlaps in aperture.



...Ralph



 

I think this could be the best topic I've ever seen out here from any catagory. Thank you Rolo for bringing up this tiny classic thread.
This is my Meade 50mm F12 refractor with my CG-4 mount. I have a 0.965 diagonal I bought at Surplus Shed and it works perfectly. I have some modern 0,965 eyepieces I bought also and use. 
 On the day of this photo a few weeks ago, I was using my new hybrid diagonal with my ES 1.25 in eyepieces. The views are very sharp and the scope performs very well which surprises the few friends who have seen me use this scope.
 I couldnt find tube rings, so I used 50mm finder scope rings with nylon scews to hold the scope in place. It works very well on my Vixen dovetail bracket. 
 The counterweights are 12 ounce ceramic rings used in tuning filters I found at work being thrown out. The center hold was just the perfect size for me to add just a thin layer of felt to the inside to allow them to slide up my counterweight shaft perfectly without slipping.
 Also, I had a machinist I work with cut 3/4" off the back of the scope and redrill the holes so the the focuser fits flush as it did origionally. This now gives me enough infocus to use my hybrid diagonal with any eyepiece I have. The focuser is excellent on this scope also. 
 This size refractor is excellent for watching full moon events, Lunar eclipes, and also does well with a white light solar scope. Its also impressive for double stars and small asterisms.
 
...Ralph in Sac.


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Posted 25 July 2019 - 12:47 PM

I just purchased a Tak FC-60 so I may end up putting this up for sale along with my 60mm Tasco 7TE-5 soon.
I've been slowly thinning out my scopes, trying to get down to a manageable number so I don't need overlaps in aperture.



...Ralph



 

You’ll love your Tak FC60, I love mine! If you only want one 60mm scope, it’s the one to have. The views are superb and it is so easy to mount, cary around, and use.

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Posted 29 July 2019 - 12:49 AM

I should get it by this Friday based on the tracking info I have. I cant wait!!

 

...Ralph

 

You’ll love your Tak FC60, I love mine! If you only want one 60mm scope, it’s the one to have. The views are superb and it is so easy to mount, cary around, and use.


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Posted 29 July 2019 - 04:00 AM

Thanks to this thread (and, the convenience) I have had my little Swift 838 out quite a bit.  Had it out last night for a short time.  The weather did not cooperate, so it was a short session.  

 

Jupiter was razor sharp with a 13mm TV plossl.  It was a bit tiny, so I put in a 2x Ultima barlow.  The seeing would not support the views with that much magnification.  It was slightly, very slightly, soft.  Seemed to lose some contrast at that level as well.  Backing it down a bit, with a lesser quality 9mm Meade Or, allowed more detail.

 

It looked like the GRS was coming around, but I did not check online to see if what I thought I saw was reality.  It was still a nice view, regardless.  The clouds were getting thicker, so I abandoned Jupiter.  My wife had a view turns at the ep before I did so.

 

The clouds were not quite as thick a few clicks over, so I lined up on Saturn.  It was a nice view.  Some discernible detail on the face, but, again, the seeing was not too great.  This little scope, though, holds its own.  My better quality 7mm Or RG was just a little too much, and the 9mm was low enough quality that it affected the view.  This little scope is remarkable, in my opinion.

 

I need to get some legitimate rings for it.  Definitely worth spending the money.  I still love my bigger scope, but glad to get this one out under the planets more.  

 

I also upgraded the scope with a fancy peanut butter lid + felt liner objective dustcap.  Don't be jealous.  lol.gif

 

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Posted 29 July 2019 - 04:32 AM

Shhh... now everybody will be wanting one. ;-)

 

BTW, there are rings on ebay that will fit this, just look for the locking hinged rings built for holding large camera/lens combos (around the lens) and attaching them to a photo tripod (instead of attaching under the camera) and pick the one that's the right size for your scope.

 

 

I also upgraded the scope with a fancy peanut butter lid + felt liner objective dustcap.  Don't be jealous.  lol.gif

 


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Posted 29 July 2019 - 05:04 AM

Shhh... now everybody will be wanting one. ;-)

 

BTW, there are rings on ebay that will fit this, just look for the locking hinged rings built for holding large camera/lens combos (around the lens) and attaching them to a photo tripod (instead of attaching under the camera) and pick the one that's the right size for your scope.

Thanks!  I will look right now.

 

Did some searches, and found rings that should work for some 60mm scopes, but I only found 64mm ID.  I found nothing smaller.  

 

That equates to a pretty thick cork shim, but MIGHT work.  

 

Anyone know of smaller rings?  These are cheap enough that I will take a chance, but thought I would ask.  

 

Thanks, again, agmoonsolns!


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Posted 01 August 2019 - 03:04 PM

These little 3 inch f/6 Edmund rich field telescopes are good hand held milky way sweepers. I like to steady with the arm on a lawn chair.

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Posted 06 August 2019 - 04:09 PM

Enjoying pleasurable mini star party at the Jersey shore and was able to view the moon, planets, and sky sweeping for clusters aplenty. Captured the low setting sun with a Parks GS 2x Barlow from Xiaolue and GS 15mm from Jerry. Beautifully sharp clear images. Attached my iPhone with the Gorky phone holder. I like the flat top oculars with this set up because the holder attaches rather close to the eyepiece. The image below is not super crisp because I adjusted focus with the iphone attached and oncoming clouds. 

 

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Clear skies. 


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Posted 14 August 2019 - 04:47 AM

I still maintain that anything smaller than 60mm is a finder! I only personally know one serious amateur astronomer who uses them. lol.gif

I am sorry, Terra.  I apologize for the lameness or "dad joke", as my kids call it.  However, I have to say...

 

 

 

...it looks like he is finding that the scope of his wizardry skills is universally astronomical!  lol.gif


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