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#1 JukkaP

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Posted 19 July 2019 - 04:15 AM

I builded new computer with the 3700x prosessor, x570 motherboard, 1TB m.2 ssd, gtx 1060 grafics card(used) and 32gb 3200mhz ram. 

 

Here is pixinsight benchmark

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Posted 19 July 2019 - 04:24 AM

I really like the Ryzen CPU's for processing, that was the exact reason I went with them for my build.



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Posted 19 July 2019 - 09:06 AM

That should do great with big data sets.



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Posted 19 July 2019 - 10:08 AM

I'm building a very similar system. 

I went with the Ryzen 7 2700x because it was super cheap on Prime day. However I may upgrade to the 3700 in the future. I'll benchmark it as soon as I complete the build.



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Posted 19 July 2019 - 11:01 AM

Wow, that really puts my 8th-gen core i7/16GB RAM/500G m.2 ssd  to shame.



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Posted 19 July 2019 - 11:04 AM

here's a 32-thread ryzen 7 2950x threadripper running windows 10. looks like the 3700x beats the pants off of it:

 

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i didn't put a good SSD into it so the swap numbers are kind of sad, but the cpu performance is much better than my 8700k.

 

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edit: looks like the x399 chipset is compatible with the 3950x, so i guess i see my upgrade path :) these 32-thead threadrippers are crazy. i think they are 4-die multi chip modules.


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#7 JukkaP

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Posted 19 July 2019 - 11:42 AM

My ram was running low and didnt have driver on my ssd. I post new stats later today.

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Posted 19 July 2019 - 01:44 PM

AMD's performance and price over Intel is massive as of late, even more so for folks who are using Pixinsight and large data sets. Not to mention Intels vulnerabilities with Spectre and Meltdown. I can think of ZERO reasons anyone would choose an Intel CPU on a new build unless they enjoy spending much more money on an product that isn't going to perform nearly as well. 



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Posted 19 July 2019 - 02:04 PM

Ok, new computer is fully adjusted and up to date. I still got massive boost from last few optimizations. 

 

Here is final score:

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Posted 19 July 2019 - 03:19 PM

AMD's performance and price over Intel is massive as of late, even more so for folks who are using Pixinsight and large data sets. Not to mention Intels vulnerabilities with Spectre and Meltdown. I can think of ZERO reasons anyone would choose an Intel CPU on a new build unless they enjoy spending much more money on an product that isn't going to perform nearly as well. 

Mostly because they are not experts and people make mistakes. Everyone does that and we should not be hard on them. They are not doing it out of some sort of self deprivation or enjoyment of maybe not getting the most from their money. I worked for AMD for 10 years and I have not purchased an AMD product for a long time for that reason - I saw how the sausage was made literally. 



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Posted 19 July 2019 - 04:14 PM

Ok, new computer is fully adjusted and up to date. I still got massive boost from last few optimizations. 

 

Here is final score:

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Very nice. I am due for a new computer and was considering a Threadripper; but it looks like the new top of the line Ryzens perform better than a mid-tier Threadripper, and for cheaper too when you consider the cost of Threadripper motherboards.



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Posted 19 July 2019 - 07:10 PM

Mostly because they are not experts and people make mistakes. Everyone does that and we should not be hard on them. They are not doing it out of some sort of self deprivation or enjoyment of maybe not getting the most from their money. I worked for AMD for 10 years and I have not purchased an AMD product for a long time for that reason - I saw how the sausage was made literally. 

its all about jim keller, i think he saved AMD (again) with zen.

 

but yeah i worked there for a while and it was pretty depressing at times.

 

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Posted 19 July 2019 - 07:11 PM

AMD's performance and price over Intel is massive as of late, even more so for folks who are using Pixinsight and large data sets. Not to mention Intels vulnerabilities with Spectre and Meltdown. I can think of ZERO reasons anyone would choose an Intel CPU on a new build unless they enjoy spending much more money on an product that isn't going to perform nearly as well. 

Now you tell me. lol.gif 



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Posted 19 July 2019 - 07:31 PM

its all about jim keller, i think he saved AMD (again) with zen.

 

but yeah i worked there for a while and it was pretty depressing at times.

 

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Guess what? He joined Intel in 2018 



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Posted 19 July 2019 - 08:22 PM

Well, for what its worth, I just got my i9-9900 3.7FGHz gaming tower for PI. It probably is not the best, but it will blow the doors off the i5 based laptop that I have been using for PI. It has 32Gb of DDR4 and I just ordered a 4X m2 PCIe 16X card for a 4TB SSD drive. Its liquid cooled with a decent graphic card. Compared to what I have this makes my old laptop look like an abacus. For me, this is a huge step up and I will be happy with it for quite a while. Its will be in my closet and I will AnyDesk to it for doing image processing only. I know its not probably the best, but hey, It will work nicely. At least I wont have to start a run of Drizzle integration before bed and hope it finishes by morning. 



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Posted 19 July 2019 - 11:13 PM

Guess what? He joined Intel in 2018 

yeah i know. he was at apple inbetween his AMD stints too.

 

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Posted 20 July 2019 - 01:36 AM

Just finished this build dedicated to PI a few days ago. Third fastest machine on the PI benchmark list. Beat out by a 32 core Threadripper with twice the ram, and just edged out by a Ryzen 9 3900x 12 core. I think the individual cores are faster on the 3900x, or maybe overclocked? The top machines on that list are all AMDs and run Linux.

 

http://pixinsight.com/benchmark/

 

Ryzen Threadripper 1950x 16 core running at base clock (at $450 is a lot of horsepower for your $)

ASROCK X399M Taichi

GeForce 1660

Samsung EVO 970 Pro NVMe M.2

64gigs G-Skillz RipJaw

NU12S Dual Fan cpu cooler

Linux Gnome 18.04

NZXT mid-tower case 500i

12 swap folders on the /tmp directory (apparently this matters? Someone walked me through this)

Total parts about $1900

 

Linux is king when it comes to Pixinsight. Hands down.

 

Thanks to CNer rockstarbill who helped me design and set up the system. It completely shreds pixinsight processes. Things that took hours on my (old) i7 take minutes, and things that took minutes now take seconds. It has really changed my processing. I don't have to wait 10 minutes for a starmask of a drizzled image only to find out I need to make some changes and run again.

 

If you want to boost PI performance, try a Linux partition on fast ssd like the 970 Evo Pro.

 

 

 

 

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Posted 20 July 2019 - 01:39 AM

Man that is a nice system. flowerred.gif

 

The partition /tmp is on, is optimized for speed, and is highly data-loss capable. Not that swap data matters.... So yeah, that is why it is that fast. 


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Posted 20 July 2019 - 01:46 AM

Ok, new computer is fully adjusted and up to date. I still got massive boost from last few optimizations.

Here is final score:
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Looks like a solid build. Congrats!

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Posted 20 July 2019 - 08:06 AM

Man that is a nice system. flowerred.gif

 

The partition /tmp is on, is optimized for speed, and is highly data-loss capable. Not that swap data matters.... So yeah, that is why it is that fast. 

So you want this swap folders in the system /tmp folder and not on a separate dedicated SSD drive?



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Posted 20 July 2019 - 10:07 AM

Well even without my PCIe X16 RAID and only 16GB memory, I am quite happy. This is about 5X what my laptop would do.

 

*******************************************************************************
The Official PixInsight Benchmark version 1.0
Copyright © 2014-2015 Pleiades Astrophoto. All Rights Reserved.
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Benchmark version ...... 1.00.08
Input checksum ......... 2cd72b67e12fff2812ef5b5da054ab2a70a25e23
Serial number .......... Q61WMX70KDEP52GRB8M4B3L551Q6H846

CPU Identification
CPU vendor ............. GenuineIntel
CPU model .............. Intel® Core™ i9-9900K CPU @ 3.60GHz

System Information
Platform ............... Windows
Operating system ....... Microsoft Windows 10 Home
Core version ........... PixInsight Core 01.08.06.1475 (x64)
Logical processors ..... 16
Total memory size ...... 15.909 GiB

Execution Times
Total time ............. 00:48.92
CPU time ............... 00:36.02
Swap time .............. 00:12.87
Swap transfer rate ..... 1287.701 MiB/s

Performance Indices
Total performance ......  9616
CPU performance ........ 10507
Swap performance .......  7132

Additional Information
Swap disks ............. Crucial 1TB SSD M2 dirve
Motherboard ............ ASUS PRIME Z390-P
Machine description .... i9-9000 based gaming tower

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Benchmark with S/N Q61WMX70KDEP52GRB8M4B3L551Q6H846 has been recorded on 2019/07/20 15:05:50 UTC



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Posted 20 July 2019 - 12:01 PM

So you want this swap folders in the system /tmp folder and not on a separate dedicated SSD drive?

In this case, the drive is a SSD (Samsung Pro 970) and the swap is all on /tmp. The file system used for the partition that /tmp resides on, is completely optimized for speed and not for fault tolerance. 

 

The i9 wont beat the Ryzen processors of similar ilk at tasks like PixInsight, they will however completely destroy the Ryzens at tasks like gaming. 

 

PI on Linux is a world of difference. That is why all of the top benchmarks are Linux systems.


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Posted 21 July 2019 - 02:19 AM

I keep coming back to the benchmark of the Ryzen 7 3900X. Total score of 24355... total time 19.31s.... that's just bananas! The 3950X will have an additional 4 cores, can't wait to see what kind of performance it puts out. I've also heard rumors of a 64 core threadripper, that would sure make short work of these projects that have 1000+ subs.

 

Edit: Forgot to mention AMD based systems have the only system boards with PCI-E 4.0 to take advantage of the 5000MB/s NVME x4 drives, the swap rates are going to be crazy fast!

 

Benchmark Report
Benchmark Identification
Serial number 4W4II4OW073F9SKSHNBETO0E5O0867JZ
Benchmark version 1.00.08
Report date 2019/07/20 20:00:46 UTC
CPU Identification
CPU vendor AuthenticAMD
CPU model AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 12-Core Processor
System Information
Platform Linux / Ubuntu 18.04.2 LTS
Operating system 4.18.0-25-generic #26~18.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Thu Jun 27 07:28:31 UTC 2019 GNU/Linux
Core version PixInsight Core 01.08.06.1475 (x64)
Logical processors 24
Total memory size  62.842 GiB
Execution Times
Total time   19.31 s
CPU time   17.32 s
Swap time    1.97 s
Swap transfer rate  8397.540 MiB/s
Performance Indexes
Total performance 24355
CPU performance 21852
Swap performance 46510
Additional Information
Swap disks Samsung DDR4 2666MHz module overclocked to 3200MHz + Samsung 970 PRO NVMe 512GB
Motherboard ASRock X570 Phantom Gaming 4
Machine description Ryzen 3900X, non-overclocked
Comments A custom built PC by HLETRD


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#24 JukkaP

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Posted 21 July 2019 - 09:43 AM

I spend 1300 euros (about 1350$) for my computer. It was budget build, try'ed to find best bang for the buck as they say. I was tempted to go linux, as you see above it work's so much better with pixinsight. But I did try once ubuntu on my observatory laptop and did not like it.

On my last i7 laptop was pain to do deconvolution and large integrations. As they took so long, processing lasted always 2-3 days. Hoping I can finish now one version of the image in one night.

For image processing the new line of Ryzen is really good. Hope we still see some benefits in near future whit firmware/driver tuning.


Here are the components on my build:
Samsung 1TB 970 EVO Plus SSD-levy, M.2 2280, PCIe 3.0 x4,
Samsung 1TB 860 QVO, 2.5" SSD-levy, SATA III, MLC, 550/520
Fractal Design Define C TG, ATX
Corsair 32GB (2 x 16GB) Vengeance LPX, DDR4 3200MHz, CL16,
Seasonic 650W FOCUS+ 650 Gold, modular
AMD Ryzen 7 3700X, AM4, 3.6GHz, 8-core
Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (Wi-Fi)
Geforce GTX 1060 6gb

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Posted 21 July 2019 - 05:01 PM

HOw much improvement should I expect by doubling my DDR4 RAM from 16Gb to 32Gb and adding 4TB SSD RAID PCIe X16 card for swap folders instead of a 1TB X2 SSD drive?




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