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#1 Flythemoon

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Posted 22 July 2019 - 07:09 AM

Hello 

I was wondering how to improve my equipment after two binos. 

Any tips ? 

 

I like nature view bird watching and sky watching . 

 

Shall I think to a spotting scope? 

 

thank you so much 

francesco 



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Posted 22 July 2019 - 07:14 AM

If birding primary interest,  spotting scope 

if night sky then telescope and/or 100mm binoculars

 

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Posted 22 July 2019 - 08:01 AM

Hi Francesco,

 

You already have two nice binos. Have you thought in pocket quality binos? something to bring in the jacket? like 8x20, 8x30? They work fine for nature too and easy to carry always everywhere.

 

A compact very portable mak 90 mm would work well as spotting scope during day and as complement to the APM 16x70 at night

 

or maybe a 72ED refractor for both purposes?

 

Just thinking...

 

Carlos


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Posted 22 July 2019 - 11:55 AM

Hi Francesco,

 

You already have two nice binos. Have you thought in pocket quality binos? something to bring in the jacket? like 8x20, 8x30? They work fine for nature too and easy to carry always everywhere.

 

A compact very portable mak 90 mm would work well as spotting scope during day and as complement to the APM 16x70 at night

 

or maybe a 72ED refractor for both purposes?

 

Just thinking...

 

Carlos

Hello Carlos , thank you so much.  

Which brand ? 



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Posted 22 July 2019 - 02:41 PM

Hello Carlos , thank you so much.  

Which brand ? 

Buona sera Francesco,

 

There are many brands and the budget is probably the first question. How much would you like to spend in the additional bino and /or telescope?

 

Carlos


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Posted 22 July 2019 - 02:58 PM

I recommend a Pentax Papilio for "macro" nature study and perhaps an 82-100mm ED BT that can provide good daytime nature "spotting" and mid magnification astro use.

 

Further astro use would dictate a scope of some sort if higher mag and lunar/planetary use is desired.

 

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Posted 22 July 2019 - 04:52 PM

If birding primary interest,  spotting scope 

if night sky then telescope and/or 100mm binoculars

 

edj

ok thanks , some brand?



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Posted 22 July 2019 - 04:53 PM

Buona sera Francesco,

 

There are many brands and the budget is probably the first question. How much would you like to spend in the additional bino and /or telescope?

 

Carlos

200 / 350 euros ... is enough?



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Posted 22 July 2019 - 04:54 PM

I recommend a Pentax Papilio for "macro" nature study and perhaps an 82-100mm ED BT that can provide good daytime nature "spotting" and mid magnification astro use.

 

Further astro use would dictate a scope of some sort if higher mag and lunar/planetary use is desired.

 

Rich

thank you Rich 

 

more infos for 82-100 mm ED BT ?   Brand?

 

thank yuo



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Posted 22 July 2019 - 05:10 PM

Since you live in Italy, I'd look into the APM offerings from Germany.  Their bino telescopes come in achromatic as well as ED designs.  The ED models, though considerably more expensive, are a good choice if you plan on daytime spotting use or higher mag astronomy with minimal chromatic aberration.

 

https://www.apm-tele...ece-holder.html

 

https://www.apm-tele...ece-holder.html

 

https://www.apm-tele...-eyepieces.html

 

https://www.apm-tele...-eyepieces.html


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Posted 22 July 2019 - 05:24 PM

Since you live in Italy, I'd look into the APM offerings from Germany.  Their bino telescopes come in achromatic as well as ED designs.  The ED models, though considerably more expensive, are a good choice if you plan on daytime spotting use or higher mag astronomy with minimal chromatic aberration.

 

https://www.apm-tele...ece-holder.html

 

https://www.apm-tele...ece-holder.html

 

https://www.apm-tele...-eyepieces.html

 

https://www.apm-tele...-eyepieces.html

Many thank Rich 



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Posted 22 July 2019 - 05:48 PM

Since I missed your post about price range, we're in another category altogether when it comes to BTs.

 

Honestly, I think you can go a long way with just spending as much time as you can with your APM 16x70s and try to get the most out of them.  I use mine for daytime spotting and wide field astronomy regularly.  Frequently in daytime, at longer distances, they're approaching the verge of the most detail I can resolve due to air turbulence anyhow.  I'm a big fan of 16x70s as they are relatively light and handy, even though I still always use them mounted.  Spend some time observing the Milky Way under dark skies with them in the Sagittarius/ Scorpius/ Cygnus area and I can't imagine not being impressed by their astronomy abilities.

 

Binocular telescopes are just getting better and better so if you wait a while it's not a bad thing.  Perhaps an inexpensive spotting scope will take care of your higher magnification bird watching, though two-eyed vision through binoculars sure can spoil you.   wink.gif

 

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Posted 23 July 2019 - 02:02 AM

200 / 350 euros ... is enough?

Hi Francesco,

 

With your budget you can buy a spotting scope. I would recommend a small mak90 (celestron, skywatcher) on a photo tripod which is very portable and can be used during day and night. It will show planet detail and many objects that are to small for the binoculars.

 

I use the setup meade ETX90 (only optical tube) + binoculars to have both wide field and magnification.

 

https://www.astrosho...4?sort=1&size=2

 

a new Maksutov would cost around 200 € but you can get one second hand for less. and you still have room for a small bino. In italy you can get some second hand compact Zeiss for 100-150 € but if you want new there are many brands (Nikon and Pentax would be my first options)

 

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Posted 23 July 2019 - 03:04 AM

Hi Francesco,

 

With your budget you can buy a spotting scope. I would recommend a small mak90 (celestron, skywatcher) on a photo tripod which is very portable and can be used during day and night. It will show planet detail and many objects that are to small for the binoculars.

 

I use the setup meade ETX90 (only optical tube) + binoculars to have both wide field and magnification.

 

https://www.astrosho...4?sort=1&size=2

 

a new Maksutov would cost around 200 € but you can get one second hand for less. and you still have room for a small bino. In italy you can get some second hand compact Zeiss for 100-150 € but if you want new there are many brands (Nikon and Pentax would be my first options)

 

Carlos

Hi Carlos 

thank you so much for your post. 

 

this one could be a good choiche ? 

 

https://www.astrosho...ab_bar_3_select



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Posted 23 July 2019 - 03:52 AM

Hi Carlos 

thank you so much for your post. 

 

this one could be a good choiche ? 

 

https://www.astrosho...ab_bar_3_select

I had that tripod and i would not recommend it. If you already have a good photo or video tripod with fluid head you can buy only the optical tube it would work much better, (especially during day) The optical tube can be attached to the video head and having a telescope of that design, the stability is very important.   In any case if you decide to use your binos or a typical spotting scope, you will need a good tripod.

 

TS have other models too

 

https://www.teleskop...-Teleskope.html

https://www.teleskop...--Spektive.html

 

Carlos


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Posted 23 July 2019 - 04:35 AM

I had that tripod and i would not recommend it. If you already have a good photo or video tripod with fluid head you can buy only the optical tube it would work much better, (especially during day) The optical tube can be attached to the video head and having a telescope of that design, the stability is very important.   In any case if you decide to use your binos or a typical spotting scope, you will need a good tripod.

 

TS have other models too

 

https://www.teleskop...-Teleskope.html

https://www.teleskop...--Spektive.html

 

Carlos

Hi Carlos 

 

I have  a manfrotto so my tripod is very very good. 

 

is it possible to buy only optical tube?



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Posted 23 July 2019 - 05:25 AM

Hi Carlos 

 

I have  a manfrotto so my tripod is very very good. 

 

is it possible to buy only optical tube?

Yes, is possible with (almost) all telescopes. in this way you can get a better scope (maybe a slightly bigger aperture which is important for astronomy). just keep in mind not to exceed the rated load. 


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Posted 23 July 2019 - 06:03 AM

Yes, is possible with (almost) all telescopes. in this way you can get a better scope (maybe a slightly bigger aperture which is important for astronomy). just keep in mind not to exceed the rated load. 

in the end you prefer a telescope Mak rather than a spotting scope 



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Posted 23 July 2019 - 08:19 AM

in the end you prefer a telescope Mak rather than a spotting scope 

Hi Francesco, 

 

Here my personal opinion:

 

You already have NICE wide field binoculars, so my next recommendation is a high power instrument, but at the same compact and easy to carry. The mak telescope covers this requirement, unfortunately the field is narrower compared with binoculars and some spotting scopes. But that is how it is designed: wonderful with the Moon, Planets, filtered sun.

 

I am not a fan of spotting scopes, generally they have lower transmission than a "real" refractor and you can not exchange eyepieces or filters, most spotting scopes have zoom eyepieces. Some good quality spotting scopes are suitable for astronomy, but they could have also narrow field and or could be expensive. They have the advantage to be rugged and weatherproof. An astro telescope is not.

 

With your budget you have the option to buy a 72 or 80 mm refractor, Check 72 ED refractors in astroshop or TS and see if there is something in your budget, but you need to add the cost of a diagonal and eyepieces.

 

I really suggest to you to go to a sport optics shop and try spotting scopes. to have a reference on the ergonomics and performance.

 

Carlos


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Posted 24 July 2019 - 07:43 AM

 but you need to add the cost of a diagonal and eyepieces.

 

 

Hello 

last question...since I am a beginner ... I did not find 72 ED  Makutsov ... may be you mean 80?

 

with a Mak the nature observatione is overtuned , is not it? 

Shall I buy a pair of oculars to straighten the image? correct? 

what is a diagonal ?


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Posted 24 July 2019 - 07:56 AM

Hello 

last question...since I am a beginner ... 

 

with a Mak the nature observatione is overtuned , is not it? 

Shall I buy a pair of oculars to straighten the image? correct? 

what is a diagonal ?

Hi Francesco,

 

The diagonal is a piece that you place between the telescope and the eyepiece. It could be a mirror or a prism.

 

The diagonal will flip left-right the image with the 90 degrees diagonal. For daytime observation you can use a 45 degrees which will provide the correct image. If you buy an optical tube and is stated as spotting scope, you will get the 45 degree. 

 

Both diagonals can be used at night without any major issue but for astronomy 90 degrees is usually preferred.

 

If you buy the OTA (optical tube) they include diagonal and oculars. later, when you advance in the hobby, you can replace the kit eyepieces with better ones if you like.

 

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Posted 24 July 2019 - 08:48 AM

Hi Francesco,

 

This thread may be interesting for you as they explain much better than me:

 

https://www.cloudyni...-or-short-tube/

 

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Posted 25 July 2019 - 10:23 AM

Hi Francesco,

 

This thread may be interesting for you as they explain much better than me:

 

https://www.cloudyni...-or-short-tube/

 

Carlos

Ok Carlos thank you 

 

I am going to buy a Mak , I am loking for it  on the web. 

 

May I use my Manfrotto tripod for the OTA ora shall I buy a specific mount

thank 



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Posted 28 July 2019 - 03:26 PM

Ok Carlos thank you 

 

I am going to buy a Mak , I am loking for it  on the web. 

 

May I use my Manfrotto tripod for the OTA ora shall I buy a specific mount

thank 

You need to check if the OTA includes a dovetail (most of them include it). The dovetails have 1/4" threads that allow you to use the tripod you have. 

 

Carlos




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