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#1 kksmith

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Posted 25 July 2019 - 03:05 PM

If society in general isn't sympathetic to light pollution affecting night sky observing, then perhaps it could be addressed another way. Their health could depend on the absence of light pollution:

 

 

https://www.newscien...nile-virus/amp/

 

 

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Posted 25 July 2019 - 03:17 PM

Since when does the general public care about their health?!


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Posted 25 July 2019 - 03:36 PM

The general public may not, but public health centers within municipalities do. Many states also address these health issues at their level. If a neighbor doesn't, then these types of research findings could prompt State and municipal level action.

 

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Posted 25 July 2019 - 04:19 PM

 "Turn off the light or die!" Sounds worth a try, might even work.  lol.gif



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Posted 26 July 2019 - 07:36 AM

One of the problems people have run into is the city engineer simply stating that the data is wrong and that's that.  It's still and uphill battle, but one that we must continue to fight with education.  The communities that adopt responsible lighting, the more city management will question engineers dismissal out of hand.  Fortunately, this is one program (responsible lighting) that can be done in such a way as to save a community money instead of cost money.


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Posted 26 July 2019 - 10:10 AM

One of the problems people have run into is the city engineer simply stating that the data is wrong and that's that.  It's still and uphill battle, but one that we must continue to fight with education.  The communities that adopt responsible lighting, the more city management will question engineers dismissal out of hand.  Fortunately, this is one program (responsible lighting) that can be done in such a way as to save a community money instead of cost money.

It’s the old problem of people denying facts even with scientific evidence.



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Posted 26 July 2019 - 01:41 PM

One of the problems people have run into is the city engineer simply stating that the data is wrong and that's that.  It's still and uphill battle, but one that we must continue to fight with education.  The communities that adopt responsible lighting, the more city management will question engineers dismissal out of hand.  Fortunately, this is one program (responsible lighting) that can be done in such a way as to save a community money instead of cost money.


A big part of the problem is that, in thousands of cities, the "city engineer" is not truly an engineer at all. Rather he's apt to be a guy who has worked for the department long enough that he finally rose to the top of the heap. Too may of these folks are just "Doin' it the way we've always done it. Was good enough then, it's good enough now".

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Posted 26 July 2019 - 04:01 PM

A big part of the problem is that, in thousands of cities, the "city engineer" is not truly an engineer at all. Rather he's apt to be a guy who has worked for the department long enough that he finally rose to the top of the heap. Too may of these folks are just "Doin' it the way we've always done it. Was good enough then, it's good enough now".

Not saying you're wrong at all.  I was just stating a common issue we need to overcome.

 

BTW, one of the problems is they aren't doing it the way they have always done.  Now we have blue-white LEDs at a gazillion lumen.

 

Of course, nothing gets done to help us unless we get involved.




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