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#1 Lead_Weight

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Posted 22 August 2019 - 10:46 PM

Just saw this posted to facebook. Looks like we'll get more info soon.

 

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Posted 23 August 2019 - 08:03 AM

That's very interesting. It looks a bit different from other CMOS cameras with essentially only two obvious operating points for this camera:

 

low-gain: gain 0 (0.8e/ADU), 3.5e read noise, FWC=51k for LRGB imaging (153 ADU over bias for 10xR_n^2/G read-noise swamp factor)

high-gain: gain 100 (0.28e/ADU), 1.5e read noise, FWC=19k for narrowband imaging (80 ADU over bias for 10xR_n^2/G read-noise swamp factor). 

 

Unless fixed-pattern noise at low-gain becomes really bad, this is pretty impressive! It will be interesting to see what amp glow pattern this sensor displays and how severe it is. 


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Posted 23 August 2019 - 10:53 AM

Looking good. Pending more information and actual test images, this chip will most likely be in my next camera. QHY or ZWO or any other surprise manufacturers? Still lots left up in the air without real world information.



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Posted 23 August 2019 - 01:21 PM

Seriously....my apprehensive stance towards this camera is specifically related to file size. Right now I’m processing 1200 60s ZWOASI071 frames, it takes about 5 hours. The images off this new camera are going to be huge....

I either move out of a light polluted area or only use it for narrowband to keep the number of subs low.

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Posted 24 August 2019 - 12:18 AM

Seriously....my apprehensive stance towards this camera is specifically related to file size. Right now I’m processing 1200 60s ZWOASI071 frames, it takes about 5 hours. The images off this new camera are going to be huge....

I either move out of a light polluted area or only use it for narrowband to keep the number of subs low.

I am a mac guy myself as well, but building a fast PC with linux dedicated for PI might be in the cards for me. 

 

Also, it seems like ZWO or QHY might have had an opportunity to use the chip under the stars at least once by now. You would think that perhaps they could share a sub.... and some more details. I want to know if ZWO will keep the USB 2 ports on the back and if QHY might include something like that? I want to know how both of these companies will keep this massive chip cool. I want to know whether the ZWO can keep the moisture out and can QHY make a driver that is stable, full featured and 64bit from the outset. 


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Posted 25 August 2019 - 04:11 PM

The chip (IMX455) will not have any amp-glow. Like my IMX094 or other "DSLR" one, IMX071 :)



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Posted 27 August 2019 - 09:47 AM

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Posted 27 August 2019 - 10:46 AM

I wonder why they stop at -5C. The ASI1600mm has a similar curve, but it continues to drop down to -20C. 



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Posted 27 August 2019 - 12:17 PM

I wonder why they stop at -5C. The ASI1600mm has a similar curve, but it continues to drop down to -20C. 

Could just be that they're testing during the day and in summertime, or just being careful with what are surely some expensive prototypes, or a bit of both.



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Posted 28 August 2019 - 09:15 AM

I wonder why they stop at -5C. The ASI1600mm has a similar curve, but it continues to drop down to -20C. 

They said on their facebook page that the dark current doesn’t change much below -5. So not a lot of reason to cool below that point, though they suspect the range “could” go as low as -40, similar to other chips. 


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Posted 28 August 2019 - 01:46 PM

$$$$ ??? :thinking:



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Posted 28 August 2019 - 03:15 PM

$$$$ ??? thinking1.gif

$5k for the mono version. At least that's what they said at NEAF in April.



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Posted 04 September 2019 - 06:06 PM

4K for the color version...



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Posted 06 September 2019 - 12:31 PM

I hope ZWO does a better job with the cooling than with the 071.



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Posted 06 September 2019 - 04:55 PM

If the QHY is anything to go off of, you can expect the same prices or close to it. The QHY600 is basically the same camera (exact same sensor).

 

Three versions:

According to Optcorp.

QHY600C (color) $5k

QHY600M (mono) $5k

QHY600M Pro (mono) $8k

 

According to qhyccd

QHY600U3G20  (Professional Version)
QHY600U3       (Photographic Version)

 

Im assuming those prices are place holders?

 

Optcorp also has the ZWO ASI6200, but no price, says call for pricing. Ive emailed them inquiring to the price and have yet to get a response.


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Posted 20 September 2019 - 08:15 AM

Has there been any further updates to the ASI6200? I’m pretty keen on picking up an IMX455 based sensor and the QHY600 being released earlier with their pro-ready at $5000 seems pretty enticing. However there’s been no further updates on ZWO’s competing pricing (nor timeline).


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Posted 22 September 2019 - 10:35 AM

Has there been any further updates to the ASI6200? I’m pretty keen on picking up an IMX455 based sensor and the QHY600 being released earlier with their pro-ready at $5000 seems pretty enticing. However there’s been no further updates on ZWO’s competing pricing (nor timeline).


I’ve not seen anything lately. They tend to post all this information to their Facebook page. I believe they are on track still for this year. I’m holding out for the ZWO version as their drivers are way more robust then QHY’s.

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Posted 24 September 2019 - 10:12 AM

ZWO just announced the price, $3,999 for both mono and color. Still no word on availability.
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Posted 24 September 2019 - 10:22 AM

I saw that.

I hope that they come up with all bolted connections for the FW/OAG/Camera assembly.


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Posted 24 September 2019 - 10:54 AM

ZWO just announced the price, $3,999 for both mono and color. Still no word on availability.

Wow, that's amazing. Time to sell a kidney.

 

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Posted 24 September 2019 - 11:15 AM

availability is clear... AFAIK the chip IMX455 shall be commercially available some when in December / Januar :-) time frame... I would, myself, expect a good date to purchase one (after initial issues are resolved) say, early next year, spring time, before summer time :D



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Posted 24 September 2019 - 12:43 PM

ZWO just announced the price, $3,999 for both mono and color. Still no word on availability.

WOW! Sucks to be an early adopter of the QHY600 at their "special version (down from $8000)" price of $5000. I would take ZWO's service and drivers over QHY's any day.


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Posted 24 September 2019 - 01:29 PM

WOW! Sucks to be an early adopter of the QHY600 at their "special version (down from $8000)" price of $5000. I would take ZWO's service and drivers over QHY's any day.

Yep, same here. They posted pictures of their EFW7 2" filter wheel as well. But it was a cad drawing. Combine the filter wheel, their OAG, and this camera, and it's exactly 55mm.

 

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Posted 24 September 2019 - 01:49 PM

It's disappointing that the minimum backfocus for the 6200 is 17.5mm. That'll be too long for the mono version to fit on my RASA8.

 

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Posted 24 September 2019 - 02:48 PM

It's disappointing that the minimum backfocus for the 6200 is 17.5mm. That'll be too long for the mono version to fit on my RASA8.

-Jim


The imaging circle of the RASA8 is too small for a full frame sensor anyway
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