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#1 Riccardo_italy

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Posted 23 August 2019 - 04:08 AM

https://www.binomani...ii-xd-prominar/

 

The table it's in Italian, but it can be understood I think. The 6.5x32 has a 10° FOV and 17mm eyerelief.


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#2 Mark9473

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Posted 23 August 2019 - 06:04 AM

Actually the table is in English. ;-)



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Posted 23 August 2019 - 08:10 AM

Actually the table is in English. ;-)

You can also translate the page.



#4 Riccardo_italy

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Posted 23 August 2019 - 09:21 AM

In short: Binomania will receive,directly from Japan, some units of the new Kowa BDII Prominar to be tested.

 

FOV of the 8x32 is 8.8°, as is the Nikon EII, and very good is also the FOV of the 8x42 (8.2°).


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#5 Rich V.

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Posted 23 August 2019 - 09:58 AM

The 10x42s with their 7.2° FOV look really good.  Only a bit over 25 oz. too.

 

The close focus specs are meant to be meters, not mms...   wink.gif

 

Nice looking binos;   https://www.youtube....h?v=Myp2Sxt0Dh4


Edited by Rich V., 23 August 2019 - 10:05 AM.


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Posted 23 August 2019 - 12:31 PM

Thanks for information. 6,5x32 with 10° FOV, that is indeed very interesting!popcorn.gif


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Posted 23 August 2019 - 08:47 PM

I agree a 10* binocular is most interesting. I’d love to read a review if anyone gets the 6.5 x 32. 



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Posted 23 August 2019 - 10:57 PM

...I wonder what "Fluorite Rich Lenses" means exactly?

 

Sounds like FPL-53SD eco glass....according to the brochure, here's the pdf:

 

https://www.kowaopti...XD-brochure.pdf


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Posted 24 August 2019 - 01:31 AM

Yes, it's not natural fluorite as in the 883/884 spotting scope. But at 6.5x whatever ED lens should be more than ok.



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Posted 24 August 2019 - 02:14 AM

Wow, cool! I can’t wait to see what the price will be for the 6.5x32.
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Posted 24 August 2019 - 06:09 PM

I wonder if these, like the other BD series models are being produced in China, also.

 

The Genesis line is made in Japan.



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Posted 24 August 2019 - 06:47 PM

Yes they are made in China - somebody on BirdForum got confirmation from Kowa.



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Posted 24 August 2019 - 06:49 PM

BirdForum also stated $399 for 32mm size.


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Posted 26 August 2019 - 07:02 PM

I'm in Canada and wrote several of the Kowa dealers. The one I typically buy from wrote me a personal email, another had an auto-email both that they would get back to me. A third sent me what I thought was a ticket to click for updates, but when I did I found this link, I'm surprised that pricing is uniform:

 

https://www.brandono...rs-_p_3093.html



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Posted 27 August 2019 - 05:56 AM

Most likely, a mistake.



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Posted 27 August 2019 - 07:11 AM

Definitely interested in these

 

 

especially the 6.5x version 



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Posted 27 August 2019 - 12:48 PM

I'm in Canada and wrote several of the Kowa dealers. The one I typically buy from wrote me a personal email, another had an auto-email both that they would get back to me. A third sent me what I thought was a ticket to click for updates, but when I did I found this link, I'm surprised that pricing is uniform:

 

https://www.brandono...rs-_p_3093.html

 

When I look at the picture of the eyecup it looks like it's unecessary thick and too high above the eyepiece lens.

I am afraid that a few mm of the eye relief get unecessary wasted so the result with eyeglasses isn't perfect.
But I really hope the optical design still makes it working well!


Edited by Swedpat, 27 August 2019 - 01:13 PM.


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Posted 27 August 2019 - 06:11 PM

I heard from another retailer $529cdn for the 32mm's....so it's getting better :)



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Posted 28 August 2019 - 11:31 AM

10° becomes very interesting when it has at least 42mm of aperture along with it. 30-32mm not so much. In my opinion of course!


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Posted 28 August 2019 - 11:52 AM

10° becomes very interesting when it has at least 42mm of aperture along with it. 30-32mm not so much. In my opinion of course!

 

Maybe

 

but my 9.3 degrees 7x35 are “very interesting “ compared to all my other binoculars 

 

I imagine the kowa's might be a step up from those


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Posted 08 September 2019 - 09:14 AM

An online shop in Germany are now accepting pre-orders for the 6.5x32 at €399 (Deliver after 7 October.). At that price, I find these VERY interesting.

 

I just wish I could find a review of them somewhere. 


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Posted 08 September 2019 - 02:22 PM

.....

 

I just wish I could find a review of them somewhere. 

You will get one once I have mine ...wink.gif

 

For the moment, I don‘t know what to make of it. At that price point, I can hardly expect 10 degrees flat field and edge-sharp frown.gif , esp. if you look at the current BD (even the top Kowa model Genesis doesn‘t shine with off-axis sharpness)


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Posted 08 September 2019 - 08:18 PM

Hard for me to imagine that it's going to be too much different than this one...

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Posted 09 September 2019 - 01:52 AM

Hard for me to imagine that it's going to be too much different than this one...

 

I think the new 6,5x32 has significantly better image contrast because of better coating. Also the eye relief is surely much better, I think this old 7x35 has very short eye relief.


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Posted 09 September 2019 - 06:51 AM

You will get one once I have mine ...wink.gif

 

For the moment, I don‘t know what to make of it. At that price point, I can hardly expect 10 degrees flat field and edge-sharp frown.gif , esp. if you look at the current BD (even the top Kowa model Genesis doesn‘t shine with off-axis sharpness)

 

You last point is exactly why I was hoping read a review before I pull the trigger. The price is attractive but too much money for me to experiment with. My 7x35 Action extremes are 9.3° and I have several of vintage binoculars with an even wider fields... unfortunately all of my WA 7x35's, by my standards, have really poor edge performance. I know for that price I can't expect them to compare to my Swaro EL's but if bright stars come into the FoV as edge on galaxies then they are not for me crazy.gif, spiky blobs I can deal with. wink.gif


Edited by Mad Matt, 09 September 2019 - 06:55 AM.



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