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#1 droid

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Posted 12 September 2019 - 06:12 PM

of the five lines ( types ) which one out of types is the best of the series.

 

For instance I currently have 2 of the type 2s in hand, the third is coming.....but am leaning towards the 20mm being the best of the three.

 

So what does everyone think?


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#2 havasman

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Posted 12 September 2019 - 06:57 PM

For me -

 

31T5 = best of the T5's (not necessarily the best Nagler)

13 and 5 and 3.5T6's = dead heat in my book with the 2.5T6 close behind

 

Never used a T1, T2 or T4



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Posted 12 September 2019 - 07:48 PM

I have only owned a 13T6 but the ER, even when not wearing glasses was too tight for my liking. I am interested in what folks think of the T4 line with their longer ER.

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Posted 12 September 2019 - 07:52 PM

My three most used eyepieces are the 17 and 12 mm type 4's and the old smoothie 7mm T1. I have never felt a reason to replace any of them despite looking through just about every eyepiece imaginable. The 17 and 7 in particular you will never be replaced...for now lol
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Posted 12 September 2019 - 08:12 PM

Favorite T4: 22mm.  Very immersive, comfortable.  Like a well-broken-in shoe.

Favorite T5: 31mm.  Best ultrawide anywhere near this focal length.

Favorite T6: 13mm.  For me, flawless.  Not the absolute best eyepiece I've EVER used, but very close.  Perfect eye relief--I wish every eyepiece had 12mm eye relief.

[LOL.  I don't wear glsses when observing, of course.

It's been too many years since I owned T1 and T2 Nagler for me to remember well which was my favorite.


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Posted 12 September 2019 - 08:19 PM

I’d have to say, without hesitation...the Type 5 line.


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Posted 12 September 2019 - 08:51 PM

My favorites:

 

Type 1 - 9mm 

Type 2 - none

Type 3 - Big Al says if he tells you about the Type 3's, you'll be swimming with the fishies, lol

Type 4 - 22mm and 12mm 

Type 5 - 31mm

Type 6 - 7mm

Type 7 - When are they coming out ????  lol


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Posted 12 September 2019 - 09:49 PM

I only owned the 7mm & 11mm type-1 "smoothies" & they were the only eyepieces I felt had the "Spacewalk" experience. I never felt the Explorer Scientific ES82 had that.. which I owned the complete set.

The Naglers had sharper field stops also.

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Posted 12 September 2019 - 09:50 PM

My three most used eyepieces are the 17 and 12 mm type 4's and the old smoothie 7mm T1. I have never felt a reason to replace any of them despite looking through just about every eyepiece imaginable. The 17 and 7 in particular you will never be replaced...for now lol

of the type 1's - I only have the 9mm type 1....once I got used to putting my eye in the sweet spot to  avoid black outs, its a phenomenal ep. eye relief isn't all that, but I don't wear glasses.



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Posted 12 September 2019 - 10:12 PM

My 9mm Type Zero - mostly because it was the first premium eyepiece I ever bought (new).  No eyeguard and the field lens is right there on the top ready for happy eyeball smudges.  Seldom used these days, but I don't think I could ever part with it...

 

22mm Type 4 - Easy to use and very comfortable - especially with glasses, but I don't like the sliding bits.  More than once I thought I was going to drop it...



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Posted 12 September 2019 - 10:13 PM

1.  My 31T5 is still my all-time favorite of the Naglers, and mates seamlessly when paired with shorter f/l Ethos'.

 

2.  I fondly remember how good the views were in the T4's I had, especially when used in my old C9.25; they came about as close to making me feel like I was looking out into space without any glass in between, which puts the T4's a close second to the 31T5.

 

3. The T6's I owned (13, 9, 7, 5), while very nice optically and a handy "small" size, I never really warmed up to; and as mentioned above already, had a very tight eye relief with the eye guard making it hard for me to settle in while viewing through.

 

4.  While maybe or maybe not a true "Nagler" for the sake of this thread, my 3-6 Zoom is growing on me more and more, even to the point I'm not using my orthos on planets anymore.  Sharp, comfortable to view through, easy to adjust the f/l to match seeing, and just all-around fun to use.


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Posted 12 September 2019 - 10:54 PM

31T5 is iconic TeleVue. Rich color presentation, jet black sky background, huge FOV.

22T4 is probably my absolute favorite eyepiece and one of the most comfortable to use. It was the first to give me the "space walk" experience and got me hooked on TeleVue.

 

I have been curious to try the Type 6's, but the Delos were more appealing to me in similar focal lengths.. I haven't really had that urge to purchase one though, but maybe one day I might.


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Posted 12 September 2019 - 11:28 PM

Have all the T1 smoothies, like the 7mm the best, but the 11mm is really nice too.  Sold my 12 and 17T4s.  Mostly use XWs and delos with the dob and orthos with the ED81S, though the 3-6 zoom is seeing its time in the vixen too.



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Posted 12 September 2019 - 11:35 PM

I can only speak from the type 4,  5 and 6 lines, and my answers would mirror the same as above.  22mm Nagler, 31 Nagler, and the 13T6 (tried with the 11T6) respectively.


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Posted 13 September 2019 - 12:13 AM

My 9mm Type Zero - mostly because it was the first premium eyepiece I ever bought (new).  No eyeguard and the field lens is right there on the top ready for happy eyeball smudges.  Seldom used these days, but I don't think I could ever part with it...

 

22mm Type 4 - Easy to use and very comfortable - especially with glasses, but I don't like the sliding bits.  More than once I thought I was going to drop it...

On the T4:

The eyeguard is in two pieces:

The mm size is on a ring that unscrews from the upper part of the eyeguard.

It has a felt lining--rough it up with a toothbrush and thread it back on.

Did that add enough tension on the eyeguard?  Yes--no further action.

No?  Then unscrew the ring again.  As you lift off the top part of the eyeguard, you'll see that the top of the eyepiece has a group of rings

machined into it, and there is a snap ring that fits into a groove on the inside of the eyeguard and around the eyepiece.

See the TeleVue adjustment information: http://www.televue.c...n=Advice&id=100

You can adjust it to however much tension you want.


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Posted 13 September 2019 - 01:16 AM

Type 7 - When are they coming out ????  lol

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Posted 13 September 2019 - 01:49 AM

Apparently I have a vintage 22mm too - no felt (friction strip) on my name ring.  That probably explains why it's soooo lose.



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Posted 13 September 2019 - 03:09 AM

Miranda2525, on 12 Sept 2019 - 6:51 PM, said:

My favorites:

 

Type 1 - 9mm 

Type 2 - none

Type 3 - Big Al says if he tells you about the Type 3's, you'll be swimming with the fishies, lol

Type 4 - 22mm and 12mm 

Type 5 - 31mm

Type 6 - 7mm

Type 7 - When are they coming out ????  lol

My preferences on these are very similar to yours.  Of the Type 1's I liked the 9mm the best.  Of the Type 2's I didn't have a favorite and when the T4's came along I quickly replaced my T2's with them.  And of the Type 4's the 22mm and 12mm one were also my favorites.   And for the Type 5's I like the 31mm the best of the 2.00-inch barrel models but I also liked the 1.25-inch size 16mm ones because I use those a lot to binoview with.  And finally of the T6's, I liked most of them so I don't have a strong favorite but if I had to pick one to single out just one I'd pick the 13mm.   

 

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Posted 13 September 2019 - 05:48 AM

None. But I would like to give the 22T4 a 2nd chance, wearing glasses.



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Posted 13 September 2019 - 09:16 AM

Back in the day when I had a steady job earning decent money I owned two Naglers, the 12mm T4, and the 20mm T5. I remember the T4 being my first Nagler and definitely got the wow factor of looking through a very, very good eyepiece. I had a Revelation 12" Dobsonian at the time and to my eyes, the eyepiece was sharp from edge to edge. The T5 gave me some problems, to be honest. I could never quite get my eye positioned correctly and always felt like I was fighting the eyepiece to get a good view. When I did, it was an awesome view of course, but it was very rare and I didn't use it very often.



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Posted 13 September 2019 - 09:26 AM

Nagler 22 T4 - a classic!


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Posted 13 September 2019 - 09:52 AM

31mm T5  It is the king at that FL

 

22mm T4 is superb,. But alas, I sold mine years ago and haven't gotten a new one.

 

20mm T2 loved it the last time I used one.



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Posted 13 September 2019 - 10:01 AM

T4 - 22mm - Still use it; still love it.

T5 - 26mm - it "fit" better with my scopes than the 31. The 31 was simply "too much" (size and weight).

T6 - 11mm and 13mm - these were my finder scope eyepieces when I used finder scopes. Still have the 13.

 

Cheers,

 

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Posted 13 September 2019 - 10:30 AM

13T6 gets a lot of praise, in this thread and elsewhere.

Those of you who have or have had both 13 and 11 T6's, have you found any meaningful differences (apart from the obvious f.l. difference, and the fact that 11T6 is discontinued)?

I have considered the 13T6, but the jump from 16T5 to 11T6 (both of which I have) seems quite natural in my f/6.3-7.4 scopes, and perhaps the 13T6 is a bit redundant for my purposes. Then again, one might always find a justification for... Just. One. More. Eyepiece... whistling.gif

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Posted 13 September 2019 - 11:08 AM

The 13mm T6 and 11mm T6 behaved identically in my scopes, so whichever fits the magnification range

will be fine. Most people jumped from the 13mm to the 9mm, which is why the 11mm was discontinued.

I think anyone wanting one would have to find a used 11mm now, but they might find one in stock somewhere if they look hard enough.

I agree the 16mm to 11mm jump is a very natural one.  No reason for the 13mm.


Edited by Starman1, 13 September 2019 - 11:09 AM.

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