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#1 droid

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Posted 18 September 2019 - 12:38 PM

The 16mm arrived today completing the set, already had the 12 and 20mm eyepieces.

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Posted 18 September 2019 - 12:52 PM

The 16mm arrived today completing the set, already had the 12 and 20mm eyepieces.

 

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Andy:

 

Until I got tangled up with the "goofy" 100° eyepieces a few years ago, the 12mm, 16 mm and 20 mm Type 2s were my first string eyepieces. The sequence of the 31 mm, the 20mm, 16mm, 12 mm and 9 mm Type 6 was a good match for all my scopes, nice step sizes for Planetary in the big scopes too. 

 

 But with the 100 degree eyepieces and the type 6s, the step sizes don't quite work out so nicely, if the were a 12mm Type 6 instead of the 11 mm and 13 mm, things would have been just great.

 

You've got some great eyepieces there, enjoy them.. resist the temptation to "upgrade."  Supposedly Upgrading can be a slippery downhill slope.

 

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Posted 18 September 2019 - 01:09 PM

Beautiful set! I had the 20 for a while. Still the best I've observed with. If it weren't for the money, I'd kept it even though I just got the E21. That one awaits first light but if I'm not happy enough I go right back to the 20T2!
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Posted 18 September 2019 - 01:15 PM

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Andy:

 

Until I got tangled up with the "goofy" 100° eyepieces a few years ago, the 12mm, 16 mm and 20 mm Type 2s were my first string eyepieces. The sequence of the 31 mm, the 20mm, 16mm, 12 mm and 9 mm Type 6 was a good match for all my scopes, nice step sizes for Planetary in the big scopes too. 

 

 But with the 100 degree eyepieces and the type 6s, the step sizes don't quite work out so nicely, if the were a 12mm Type 6 instead of the 11 mm and 13 mm, things would have been just great.

 

You've got some great eyepieces there, enjoy them.. resist the temptation to "upgrade."  Supposedly Upgrading can be a slippery downhill slope.

 

Jon

my set is : 35 Pan. , 30 ES , 24ES, 20T2, 18ES 16T2,12T2, 9T1, 6.7ES, and last but not least the Meade 5.5 UWA......I admit  that's a lot of really close steps in the low power range, and if I didn't love the 35 Pan....


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Posted 18 September 2019 - 02:36 PM

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Andy:

 

Until I got tangled up with the "goofy" 100° eyepieces a few years ago, the 12mm, 16 mm and 20 mm Type 2s were my first string eyepieces. The sequence of the 31 mm, the 20mm, 16mm, 12 mm and 9 mm Type 6 was a good match for all my scopes, nice step sizes for Planetary in the big scopes too. 

 

 But with the 100 degree eyepieces and the type 6s, the step sizes don't quite work out so nicely, if the were a 12mm Type 6 instead of the 11 mm and 13 mm, things would have been just great.

 

You've got some great eyepieces there, enjoy them.. resist the temptation to "upgrade."  Supposedly Upgrading can be a slippery downhill slope.

 

Jon

I have all the Type 2 Nagler's and the 31mm Type 5.  Are 100 degree eyepieces and Type 6 Naglers worth the money?  Are the optics noticeably better?



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Posted 18 September 2019 - 05:32 PM

I have all the Type 2 Nagler's and the 31mm Type 5.  Are 100 degree eyepieces and Type 6 Naglers worth the money?  Are the optics noticeably better?

Perhaps the answer is more associated with the design ergonomics than the optical presentation.

Do you want eye relief?  Then T4s and T5 31mm.

Do you want small size and low weight?  Then 16mm T5 and all the T6s and Nagler zooms

Do you need high power?  Then the T6s.

Do you want less eye relief?  Then T5 20mm and 16mm and the T6s and the zooms.

 

As for the 100mm Ethos, well, that also depends.

A 2008 comment from the peanut gallery:

https://www.cloudyni...view/?p=2210863

and also 2008

https://www.cloudyni...sons/?p=2498458

 

Do I still feel that way?  Well, it's 11 years later, and I've viewed through all the competition (except the Nikon NAV HW 17 operating at 14mm)

and I still have the Ethos.  I know all its flaws now, and it is not a perfect eyepiece.  So far, nothing is.



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Posted 18 September 2019 - 06:18 PM

You've got some great eyepieces there, enjoy them.. resist the temptation to "upgrade."  Supposedly Upgrading can be a slippery downhill slope.

 

Jon

 

I agree! That's why I still love my Pans and Radians!waytogo.gif

 

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Posted 18 September 2019 - 07:11 PM

I have DeLites, Naglers; had one Ethos but sold it; Takahashi UWs, TOEs, Pentax XW; all excellent. But two of my first stringers remain Panoptic 22 and Nagler T2-16 after 27 years with the former and 30 years with the latter.

 

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Posted 18 September 2019 - 07:23 PM

Congrats! You’ve got some classic and excellent glass right there, indeed!



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Posted 19 September 2019 - 05:12 AM

I have all the Type 2 Nagler's and the 31mm Type 5.  Are 100 degree eyepieces and Type 6 Naglers worth the money?  Are the optics noticeably better?

 

This is how I see it:

 

The Type 2 Naglers have very good optics, you can't get much better there.  The newer eyepieces probably have somewhat better coatings depending on the vintage of your Type 2s.  

 

I have the 21mm, 13mm and 8mm Ethos.  They are amazing eyepieces.  Their presentation is very similar to the 31mm Nagler just wider, more eye relief than the Type 2, 16mm Type 5 and Type 6s, still able to take it all in a single view.  

 

Whether they're worth the money depends on how much money is worth to you. For a long time, my eyepieces were the 31mm Nagler, the 20mm, 16mm and 12mm Type 2's plus the 9mm, 7mm, 5mm and 3.5mm Type 6s and a 2x Barlow and a Paracorr.  That was very effective, the step sizes were nice.  I could do anything with those eyepieces.  

 

I about 5 years ago, I succumbed to the 100 degree Temptation and bought a 20mm ES 100 deg.  I could never quite decide which I liked more, the 20mm Type 2 or the ES.  The type 2 was better for what it had but the ES 100 did have the wider field.  I later bought a 14mm ES 100, slightly better than 20mm ES 100 but I still couldn't take the entire view in a single glance and when it did peak at the edge, it wasn't sharp like the Type 2s or the 31mm. The Ethos were just too expensive for my blood but then I stumbled on a "it's now or never" deal for the Ethos and went for it.   They took it to the next level, they have the accessibility and impressive sharpness across the field.  

 

I sold the ES 100s and gave the Type 2s to friends.  I then added the 16mm Type 5 to go with the type 6s, it's parfocal and swapping back and forth between 100 degree 2 inch and 1.25 inch 82 degree disrupts the flow of observing.  In the last year or two, I filled in the gap between the 16mm Type 5 and the 9mm type 6 with the 13mm and 11mm Type 6s.  

 

From a functional point of view, the 100 degree eyepieces are very effective as deep sky eyepieces but I would need more of them to use them for planetary-double star eyepieces.  

 

My advice, keep what you have.. 

 

Jon


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Posted 19 September 2019 - 09:06 AM

Ive never looked through a radian

 

weren't those the ones that took the place of the type 3 Nagler?  



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Posted 20 September 2019 - 12:36 PM

Question for the eyepiece gurus...….

 

Does the lack of a safety undercut on the barrel say anything as to age? is it an older version? if so is it better or lesser quality than a newer model with the safety grooves?



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Posted 20 September 2019 - 02:07 PM

What is the eye relief of the T2’s?

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Posted 20 September 2019 - 02:13 PM

82 degrees / 10 to 13mm?s


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Posted 20 September 2019 - 02:37 PM

Question for the eyepiece gurus...….

 

Does the lack of a safety undercut on the barrel say anything as to age? is it an older version? if so is it better or lesser quality than a newer model with the safety grooves?

Yes, sans undercuts it is an old version. But don't worry about it. My 16T2 is about 30 years old and its views are beautiful. -Phil



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Posted 20 September 2019 - 04:29 PM

What is the eye relief of the T2’s?

12-11mm, 16-10mm, 20-12mm. You can find any TV E/P spec. at Televue under eyepieces- Specs.

 

http://televue.com/e...=214&plain=TRUE


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Posted 20 September 2019 - 06:39 PM

12-11mm, 16-10mm, 20-12mm. You can find any TV E/P spec. at Televue under eyepieces- Specs.

 

http://televue.com/e...=214&plain=TRUE

Thanks Mike



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Posted 20 September 2019 - 06:53 PM

12-11mm, 16-10mm, 20-12mm. You can find any TV E/P spec. at Televue under eyepieces- Specs.
 
http://televue.com/e...=214&plain=TRUE


Oops. I should have scrolled down to the bottom of the TV spec page.

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Posted 21 September 2019 - 05:48 PM

Just got the 20mm, 12mm, 9mm T/2s, started viewing a little more now. Love that 20mm T/2, seems to make the 12mm & 9mm much better ep. Like to have the 16mm T/2, but may go with the 16mm T5.

 

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Posted 21 September 2019 - 05:59 PM

Just got the 20mm, 12mm, 9mm T/2s, started viewing a little more now. Love that 20mm T/2, seems to make the 12mm & 9mm much better ep. Like to have the 16mm T/2, but may go with the 16mm T5.

 

Clear Skies!

The 16mm T5 will not disappoint you. Phenomenal eyepiece!




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