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#1 HouseBuilder328

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Posted 18 September 2019 - 08:56 PM

And they still need to develop new landers and rovers! The lander part is no easy task. I think SpaceX or Blue Origin might beat NASA because of all the government mess and changing Presidents.

 

https://abcnews.go.c...onauts-65697119



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Posted 18 September 2019 - 08:59 PM


U.S. Rep. Michael Waltz, R-Florida, asked during the space subcommittee hearing why it's taking so long and costing so much for NASA "to get back to where we were" during Apollo. The last Apollo mission to the moon was in 1972.

 

Seems an ironic question, coming from a member of Congress.  He should know first hand, why the SLS has been dubbed the "Senate Launch System".


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Posted 22 September 2019 - 08:49 PM

Call me a pessimist, but we (USA) are not going anywhere, (Manned). SpaceX has a better chance.

I just hope we can keep the robotics missions going.

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Posted 23 September 2019 - 01:43 AM

I would say that the idea of any sort of failure is going to hold them back.

Also the shuttle needed a replacement several years ago. Really should have had a replacement in the pipeline as they retired the original shuttle. It also needs to be simpler and less sophisticated.

 

The US manned space program is reliant on Russia, which lets face it seems ironic. The JWST is planned to go up on a French Ariane Rocket.



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Posted 25 September 2019 - 01:26 PM

Call me a pessimist, but we (USA) are not going anywhere, (Manned). SpaceX has a better chance.

I just hope we can keep the robotics missions going.

 

Correct.  I think if you follow rocket news, watch rocket launches on tv/internet etc, people will see how organized SpaceX seems to be with things. They might reach the moon first.



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Posted 26 September 2019 - 09:06 AM

Lockheed wins new cost-plus contract for Orion

 

https://arstechnica....ract-for-orion/

 

first six spacecraft will be acquired by cost-plus-incentive-fee contracts, the agency said. Under cost-plus deals, a contractor receives reimbursement plus a fee regardless of whether it delivers the vehicles on time or late, and on budget or over budget.

 

Not liking that deal at all, however a presence "around the moon" sometime in the 2020"s is at least something who ever it may be that leads the way or collaboration.

 

 



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Posted 26 September 2019 - 09:57 AM

Lockheed wins new cost-plus contract for Orion

 

https://arstechnica....ract-for-orion/

 

first six spacecraft will be acquired by cost-plus-incentive-fee contracts, the agency said. Under cost-plus deals, a contractor receives reimbursement plus a fee regardless of whether it delivers the vehicles on time or late, and on budget or over budget.

 

Not liking that deal at all, however a presence "around the moon" sometime in the 2020"s is at least something who ever it may be that leads the way or collaboration.

I agree with most of the commenters on that article.  A cost-plus contract for production of an already-developed product is a corrupt bargain.  Cost-plus is for developing new and risky technology, it's not for construction of items already developed.  That's an invitation to overruns, delays, and waste.


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Posted 27 September 2019 - 05:53 AM

I agree with most of the commenters on that article.  A cost-plus contract for production of an already-developed product is a corrupt bargain.  Cost-plus is for developing new and risky technology, it's not for construction of items already developed.  That's an invitation to overruns, delays, and waste.

"around the moon" sometime in the 2020"s


Which is code for "the late 2030's at the earliest"
 



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Posted 27 September 2019 - 02:46 PM

Helium 3 will put man back on the moon. It now appears that it would be cheaper to use than oil. Shipping costs are very low on it, at least coming back. It will also shut up all the we are destroying the earth proponents. Removing much of the toxic by-products from hydrocarbon  combustion in the ecological geography will improve earth's health significantly. Man is definitely headed back to the moon. You may also find a Tesla up there; they already put one in orbit.



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Posted 27 September 2019 - 03:48 PM

You should not present statements of speculation as statements of fact.

Before going to the moon to get helium-3, first we need a working helium-3 fusion reactor here on earth.

The current number of those is none. Nada. Zilch.
0.000000000000

For that matter the number of working fusion reactors of any type which have reached the break-even point of energy output vs. energy input is the same as above.

These are statements of fact.


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Posted 27 September 2019 - 08:52 PM

Yeah, there is that little technical problem.



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Posted 28 September 2019 - 05:23 AM

You should not present statements of speculation as statements of fact.

Before going to the moon to get helium-3, first we need a working helium-3 fusion reactor here on earth.

The current number of those is none. Nada. Zilch.
0.000000000000

For that matter the number of working fusion reactors of any type which have reached the break-even point of energy output vs. energy input is the same as above.

These are statements of fact.


But a working one is only a decade away!

Just like it was in the 50s!
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Posted 28 September 2019 - 12:50 PM

Let's get back to focusing.  SpaceX will be revealing Starship tonight!  This will make it to the moon first. 

 

https://www.digitalt...hip-watch-live/



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Posted 28 September 2019 - 10:45 PM

Let's get back to focusing.  SpaceX will be revealing Starship tonight!  This will make it to the moon first. 

 

https://www.digitalt...hip-watch-live/

For those who saw the presentation, if you can make it past Elon's rambling style, it was quite informative.

 

And as usual, it inspired more questions than it answered! But it does look like things are going to be moving fast.



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Posted 29 September 2019 - 06:32 AM

Watched some of the presentation.  Glad the prototype erector set version of starship is first of many versions that will be developed and end product will be a lot different.    I think Musk  still wants the third tail fin though it serves no real purpose.grin.gif     Exciting stuff to come. 

 

 

 

Meanwhile:

 

 

SLS: Nasa's giant 'Moon rocket' takes shape

 

https://www.bbc.com/...onment-49759627

 

SLS actually looks a lot closer to being a finished product.

 

 

Side note:   Saw movie Ad Astra....outside of the plot, it's a very realistic, surreal vision of what space travel and exploration would look like in the foreseeable future.



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Posted 18 October 2019 - 01:02 PM

NASA will award Boeing a cost-plus contract for up to 10 SLS rockets

 

https://arstechnica....10-sls-rockets/

 

 

What do you think about the above link and the cost plan?   NASA's SLS seems to be moving slow as a tortoise while SpaceX is moving forward and has destroyed the competition so far.   It will probably be SpaceX to land a person on the moon and SpaceX to land someone on Mars.



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Posted 18 October 2019 - 01:47 PM

Maybe we should get Elon working on cold fusion...



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Posted 18 October 2019 - 11:13 PM

NASA will award Boeing a cost-plus contract for up to 10 SLS rockets

 

https://arstechnica....10-sls-rockets/

 

 

What do you think about the above link and the cost plan?   NASA's SLS seems to be moving slow as a tortoise while SpaceX is moving forward and has destroyed the competition so far.   It will probably be SpaceX to land a person on the moon and SpaceX to land someone on Mars.

To fully cover all my takes on this topic would move the discussion well into the political minefields that we are prevented from entering.

 

But that fact alone is enough to tell us that efficiency and effectiveness are not the driving motivations here.

 

SpaceX has a big advantage in this regard.



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Posted 19 October 2019 - 05:15 PM

It has now been 8 years since the last Shuttle flight. In 8 years in the 1960s, NASA went through the

Mercury, Gemini, and Apollo programs.

 

NASA has revised their 2024 plans to something more achievable. They hope to send astronauts to Detroit.

By bus.


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Posted 19 October 2019 - 07:15 PM

It has now been 8 years since the last Shuttle flight. In 8 years in the 1960s, NASA went through the

Mercury, Gemini, and Apollo programs.

 

NASA has revised their 2024 plans to something more achievable. They hope to send astronauts to Detroit.

By bus.

That's near-suicide, I tell ya!   shocked.gif

 

Actually, as always, Congress is the problem here, not really NASA.  The program has to be funded, and looks like there will be either zero or insufficient funding for a Lunar lander this time around.  The House budget committee has told Jim Bridenstine to accept a goal of 2028 for the landing.

 

I know we don't discuss politics here, but the SLS program, and especially the goal of a 2024 lunar landing, is 100% political.  We simply can't get around that fact.  And it's politics that ultimately will decide whether or not the landing happens, and when.

 

Right now, the politics aren't looking good.




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