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#1 Foss

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Posted 27 September 2019 - 04:26 PM

WW2 Zeiss Kriegsmarine binoculars. Real or fake?

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#2 brentwood

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Posted 27 September 2019 - 04:36 PM

That second picture is too blurry to read and does not look familiar to me. The strap looks possibly vinyl? 


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#3 Yarddog

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Posted 27 September 2019 - 04:48 PM

I am not really that knowledgeable on them but they look suspicious. Late war binoculars had coated optics but the majority did not.


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Posted 27 September 2019 - 05:50 PM

IMO the critical pics are blurry for a reason!


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Posted 28 September 2019 - 01:06 AM

Too good to be true.

 

Some japanese manufacturers used german names to have more "appeal" to the consumer. Dientsglas was one of them.

 

From my short experience, real WW2 german binos introduced codes to identify where they were produced in Germany. (e.g. Zeiss = blc). This characteristic could be one of the first to look for.

 

As reference, below a pic of Navy binos from the Zeiss museum in Jena:

 

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Clear skies!

 

Carlos


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#6 Foss

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Posted 28 September 2019 - 09:19 AM

There's another detail I'm focusing on. :-)



#7 FrankL

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Posted 29 September 2019 - 01:23 PM

Note the center focus knob. It’s not a WW 2 Kriegsmarine binocular or any kind of military binocular for that matter.


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#8 Alex M.

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Posted 13 October 2019 - 08:04 PM

Perhaps the binoculars are real Kriegsmarine, but not from our history, but from an alternative ... However, on Ebay, you can become a happy owner of such a rarity  https://www.ebay.co....=p2047675.l2557
 


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#9 Gumball

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Posted 15 October 2019 - 01:27 PM

To the best of my knowledge, Zeiss military binoculars were never center focus.  Also, the "Zeiss" logo looks wrong.


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#10 Foss

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Posted 16 October 2019 - 09:31 AM

For extra credit, look for clues in the accessory department. :-)



#11 opticchase

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Posted 16 October 2019 - 05:57 PM

Military binoculars do not use center focus.  That design is too difficult to weatherproof.  However, the military has used civilian center focus binoculars in lieu of nothing else being available.  Also, this logo is not Zeiss .

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#12 j.gardavsky

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Posted 17 October 2019 - 08:34 AM

Here is the Carl Zeiss Jena 7x50 Septar military (navy) with individual focus

 

https://www.cloudyni...top-and-bottom/

 

JG

 

 



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Posted 17 October 2019 - 05:55 PM

with that title I was thinking maybe some girlie pictures.....smile.gif 


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Posted 18 October 2019 - 09:16 AM

That second picture is too blurry to read and does not look familiar to me. The strap looks possibly vinyl? 

The strap looks very similar to leather straps that came with some Zeiss binoculars I've owned. Those dated circa 1960-80's. They are thin, a finished shiny black on one side, 'raw' unfinished leather on the other side. In the first pic you can see the unfinished side in the upper left. Of course, a strap on a binocular today may not be the strap it came with.

 

Is the binocular a real WWII Kriegsmarine? I have no idea. Pictures can  "conceal and reveal," to coin a phrase. (Can I copyright that?) In this case I would say they conceal more than they reveal.

Can we draw conclusions about the motivation of the seller? A scammer, a klutz, a deluded person who believes they have a rare item worth the asking price? I have no idea. 

 

I do have an idea about Selling apps like Letgo:  They are for people who want to take a few casual pics with a cell phone, type in one or two sentences, press a button it's posted for sale. This posting is an example of what you get.

 

Conclusion, the best I can say is to borrow from Mythbusters:  Unproven.


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Posted 19 October 2019 - 08:26 AM

Hint hint: so it's case closed?




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