I agree Bonco. Instead of enjoying binoculars and loving the hobby some seem to want look at all the technical and Mumbo jumbo data and forget what thier actually looking at.
Now here is something with which I can TOTALLY agree. But you, I feel, prove my point. You call knowing something technical about binoculars a lot of “mumbo jumbo.”
I want you to know that I totally respect that opinion. I have said many times on this list that some people are thinking things to death when they should be out under the stars. In that I agree with all the proponents of grab-em-and-go-down-and-dirty-inexpensive binoculars.
But, from my standpoint, so many here want to use that philosophy as a shield. When people start talking about “tack sharp,” “spot on collimation,” “no field curvature,” and the like, they are stepping out of the OPINION safety zone to make technical pronouncement that they usually can’t back up. THAT IS ALL I AM SAYING--ALL I HAVE EVER SAID.
Please, let me offer another example. Joe-New-Comer-To-Binoculars buys his first binocular. He tells me . . . us, how pleased he is. I am pleased for him. He tells us how much he enjoys his nights under the stars. I am pleased for him. He tells us that his binoculars are adding a new dimension to his life. I am pleased for him. He tells us that his binocular cost $59. We are all pleased for him. I ask again, have I EVER tried to hurt this persons feeling or make a fool of him? I have plainly asked the moderators to allow me to be pummeled if someone has the goods on me. Can anyone step to the plate and do it? No. They can stand back and criticize because they don’t agree with me. But, they can’t use my feelings against me. ‘Seems like some pretty shallow arguments out there to me.
Now, lets take this same person and have him say “they were great and had no chromatic aberration.”
From my standpoint, this person has crossed the line into the TECHNICAL and is making pronouncements that I do not have to look up to know are false . . . PERIOD!
When I walk to my office each day, I pass more than 20 of the best new Leica, Zeiss, and Swarovski binoculars in the world. EACH will show chromatic aberration to anyone who knows what chromatic aberration is or how it manifests itself. Do I want to pick on anyone who can’t see it? No. Do I want to rain on someone’s parade? No. BUT, on a list designed partly for the purpose of education, do I want someone to say that his XYZ binocular doesn’t have any—REGARDLESS OF ITS COST. NO!
I have designed lenses professionally and KNOW—and I don’t mean subject to opinion—that a simple piece of crown glass (usually Bk7) and a piece of flint glass (usually F2 or F4) are not going to eliminate chromatic aberration in an ~f/4 system—PERIOD. You can put it through prisms of BaK4 or dog poop and chromatic aberration will still be there. And in inexpensive binoculars, it will probably be much more pronounced.
Some here can turn their backs on my words because they don’t like my message. But it will do no good. Because long after I am dead and gone, most if what I have tried so hard to say will still be relevant and, more importantly, accurate.
Gentlemen, believe me, I know how it is to put one's foot in one's mouth—been there; done that; got the tee shirt.
Today, I had lunch with Dr. Dick Buchroeder—Buchroeder Tri-Scheifspeigler, Buchroeder-Houghton Camera, Buchroeder Relay Telescope, etc. and thought about how we met back in the stone age. If just one of the letters I wrote this man were to surface, I would have to DIE of embarrassment.
In those days, I had two options. I could have argued with him about things I was in NO WAY prepared to argue, because I had strong opinions, or I could listen and learn. I chose the latter. Today, when it comes to binoculars, he listens to me; when it comes to optics I shut up and listen to him . . . every time.
Finally, I have tried to make the point again and again that I respect the opinions of all, and welcome their right to have them. ‘That my only concern, in the past, in the present, or in the future, is the propagation of misleading information.
However, in the name of keeping peace, I am willing to leave the list so that I will never hamper those with more opinions than facts, if that is what is wanted.
But, since I like it here, I would like all those who think that solid information is not as important as opinion to simply say so that it may become archived and part of the public record. I think that is an entirely fair request to make. We don’t live in Neverland and the fact is you can’t have it both ways.
There are those who would say that some of us are not being “friendly” to newcomers. I disagree. What is the value of welcoming newcomers, if we are going to feed them a lot of bad information? Who is the true friend, the person who welcomes them with open arms and lets them get away with murder, or the fellow who welcomes them and lets them know that, on this list, accurate information matters.
Again, let’s see the names of those who think this list should be about something other than revealing the truth.
Kindest Regards (literally)