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ZWO announced ASIAIR Pro - the nexgen of ASIAIR imaging platforms

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#101 ZL4PLM

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Posted 15 January 2020 - 02:37 PM

Me too.  I first "focused" on the Pro because I plan to do significant AP away from my house (44 minutes away)  in order to move down about 4 Bortle notches and also be under a full sky.

I'm going to give it a go in my driveway, but it is Bortle 7, and trees and houses obstruct all but the northern piece of sky.  At least that's where Polais is.  

My thought was to not have to carry a laptop.  But as people tell me more stuff to consider, I wonder if the Pro will be able to PHD guide and all the other stuff.  Polar align?  Everyone says SharpCap is the equal of the PoleMaster for that.  ZWO does recommend SharpCap.

Pro does run a PHD2 style guider as does the Version 1 hardware 

 

Personally I would say sharpcap exceeds PM 

 

Ive been really happy with the polar alignment tool build into the ASIAIR too :) 



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Posted 15 January 2020 - 02:45 PM

samples 15 frame stack @ 120sec no guiding  using the ZWO Duo Filter 

 

No cal frames - just screen copies of the app 

 

ASIAIR Live Stacking (V1.4)
 
 
ASIAIR Pro Live Stacking

 


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Posted 15 January 2020 - 02:58 PM

Pro does run a PHD2 style guider as does the Version 1 hardware 

 

Personally I would say sharpcap exceeds PM 

 

Ive been really happy with the polar alignment tool build into the ASIAIR too smile.gif

SharpCap is currently better than the ASIAIR PA routine for one major reason, in my opinion: The hardware on the Pi3b+. The ASIAIR PA routine loops its platesolving, but you still much wait 5-10 seconds between adjustments and if you have a mount that has 'push/pull' azimuth adjustments knobs, like CGEMs, it is very frustrating to use as you continue to overshoot the next frame by a few dozen arc seconds. Even my Losmandy G11T with its single knob that can be operated one-handed [with the other hand on the altitude knob] easily make 5 arc-second adjustments takes several minutes with the ASIAIR PA routine, while I can nail SharpCap's routine in about 25 seconds. The Pro will be able to solve much faster, so I think this inconvenience will be a thing of the past soon. 


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Posted 15 January 2020 - 03:03 PM

framing and mosaics are not yet implemented - def been asked and is on the features list for future dev

I always considered mosaics as a post-processing phase.....like combining views from several days in the last month's type of a concept..  Is there really a push for this ?



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Posted 15 January 2020 - 03:10 PM

I always considered mosaics as a post-processing phase.....like combining views from several days in the last month's type of a concept..  Is there really a push for this 

I think there is a misunderstanding? Framing is needed for mosaics and the best way to do that is through platesolving an image and slewing to that target, so maybe the idea to incorporate these features is for the plate solve go-to feature to make mosaics easier, and especially multi-night imaging on a single target. I know stacking will average out the frames, but manually framing targets for mosaics and multi-night imaging can cut out a lot of good data. 


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Posted 15 January 2020 - 03:57 PM

I think there is a misunderstanding? Framing is needed for mosaics and the best way to do that is through platesolving an image and slewing to that target, so maybe the idea to incorporate these features is for the plate solve go-to feature to make mosaics easier, and especially multi-night imaging on a single target. I know stacking will average out the frames, but manually framing targets for mosaics and multi-night imaging can cut out a lot of good data. 

the feature would be to understand scope FL and chip/pixel sizes and based on that allow framing for mosaics similar to that  in SGP 

 

post processing is where you stitch them all together 

 

the tool would want to allow you to set up events per frame and automate through them 

 

a future feature but def something that would be wanted :) 



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Posted 15 January 2020 - 06:10 PM

I'm very interested in your top screen capture of the Carina Nebula. I see only the image and absolutely NO CONTROLS.  Have you cropped the controls or is this an actual capture of the entire screen?  If this is the latter then ZWO gets an A+ for their EAA UI!  

 

samples 15 frame stack @ 120sec no guiding  using the ZWO Duo Filter 

 

No cal frames - just screen copies of the app 

 

 
 
 
 

 

 


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Posted 16 January 2020 - 01:59 AM

i think its new ground for them too ...

 

and one that will develop over next releases

 

right now its prob not as feature rich as EAA - sorry I don't do EAA so not sure what things are super important 

 

what I can tell you is that .....

 

  • You can go to live mode from the menu 
  • select exp lengths binning and whether you save images as individual files or one stacked fits 
  • you can use bias/darks/flats as calibration 
  • You cannot currently dither while stacking live - will be coming 
  • guiding while stacking is ok 
  • there is little in the way of image controls right now 
  • white balance control is ok from the main camera settings 
  • Its been tested with dual band filters 

I expect more as the next release comes - particularly around image processing 

 

I am sure ZWO will be listening to comments and feedback as well

 

pretty exciting for outreach smile.gif

 

Cheers

Simon

 

Dithering is not that important (or guiding IMHO) for EAA purposes. However, a good interface for image controls and also image control options are a definite "yes please" as the aim is to start getting results on screen asap. Sometimes simplicity is best, so fewer controls with more automation will make life easier on a touch tablet and also allow for faster calibration would be most welcome!



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Posted 16 January 2020 - 01:48 PM

I was referring to another mounting shoe attached to the other side of the ASIair pro, so on the other side, you can mount a finder.  I feel like those double adapters would be unwieldy having an ASIair and a finder.

Sounds like that will introduce a lot of flexture. 



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Posted 16 January 2020 - 02:23 PM

Sounds like that will introduce a lot of flexture. 

Definitely would, I was thinking for a red dot finder or something, not for a guide scope.



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Posted 16 January 2020 - 08:17 PM

I'm very interested in your top screen capture of the Carina Nebula. I see only the image and absolutely NO CONTROLS.  Have you cropped the controls or is this an actual capture of the entire screen?  If this is the latter then ZWO gets an A+ for their EAA UI!  

this is the actual capture

 

you can remove the controls and remain with only the image 



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Posted 17 January 2020 - 02:08 PM

this is the actual capture

 

you can remove the controls and remain with only the image 

Sweet!  Exactly what I've been looking, hoping, praying for.  Sign me up!

 

Thanks



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Posted 18 January 2020 - 08:45 AM

Ok in have another question, is there a software update where I can zoom into different regions of the screen to make the controls larger on a smartphone (so I don’t have to bring a tablet to the field)?

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Posted 18 January 2020 - 08:22 PM

Where does one get the red dovetail? Does it come with one? I see multiple users have one attached but it’s not listed in the parts supplied.

 

Some pix from Kyoei’s Blog: http://kyoei-tokyo-a...19/12/29/124803

 

I like the way it can be mounted on a finder scope mounting bracket

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Posted 18 January 2020 - 10:22 PM

Where does one get the red dovetail? Does it come with one? I see multiple users have one attached but it’s not listed in the parts supplied.

It’s included. Have a look around the 3:03 mark of the unboxing :-

https://youtu.be/2_Bc-JvTlhk

 

Edit: The Kyoei blogsite seems to have more pix and articles about the ASIAir Pro :-

 

http://kyoei-tokyo-a....hatenablog.jp/

 

It is in Japanese but Google Chrome should be able to translate.


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Posted 18 January 2020 - 11:01 PM

It’s included. Have a look around the 3:03 mark of the unboxing :-

https://youtu.be/2_Bc-JvTlhk

 

Edit: The Kyoei blogsite seems to have more pix and articles about the ASIAir Pro :-

 

http://kyoei-tokyo-a....hatenablog.jp/

 

It is in Japanese but Google Chrome should be able to translate.

Oh sweet. Thanks for sharing!


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Posted 23 January 2020 - 09:30 PM

Got mine today.  Much better build then the original.  Unplugged the old, plugged in the new.  Works like a champ... indoors.  Can't wait to try the live stacking when it clears up.

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Posted 23 January 2020 - 11:18 PM

Got mine today.  Much better build then the original.  Unplugged the old, plugged in the new.  Works like a champ... indoors.  Can't wait to try the live stacking when it clears up.

Great news!  So glad to hear they are beginning to ship. When did you order it, and who did you order from?  



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Posted Yesterday, 07:57 AM

I ordered at the end of December from the ZWO web site the day it was first available.  It took 6 days to ship to Connecticut after I got the email shipping notification from ZWO.



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Posted Yesterday, 10:22 AM

I ordered from Highpoint on Dec 9.  Not a word yet on a delivery date...

 

I must have made a mistake getting in their particular queue.



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Posted Yesterday, 10:51 AM

I ordered direct from ZWO as well, but not until Dec 30.  I haven’t heard from them on shipping yet, I may not have made it into the first batch.  


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Posted Today, 12:04 PM

Who has seen a downloadable manual for the ASIair Pro?
All I see on the ZWO website is the manual for the original Asiar?


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