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Cleaning corrector plate/mirror on vintage Celestron C8

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#1 Astrodud

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Posted 22 November 2019 - 10:01 AM

I have found a number of posts and YT videos on the subject of cleaning the optics on SCs.  Was just wondering if any owners/previous owners of a C8 could point me in the direction of a tutorial that they found to be helpful in cleaning the optics on some of the older/vintage scopes.

 

Some backstory: My C8 is dated somewhere from 1980/81 and is in (apparent) excellent condition.  I store the scope in an air-conditioned storage room in my house.  The weather has FINALLY turned favorable for doing some stargazing here in Florida so I am prepping it for the season.  I decided to check out the optics and found a light haze on the corrector plate that is easily removable. 

 

Any help in find "the" tutorial or any advice before taking on the project would be greatfully appreciated.

 

Thank you!



#2 whizbang

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Posted 22 November 2019 - 10:42 AM

DO NOT rub and scrub!!!!

 

Daub and blot.

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=e66yIuD3cMk


Edited by whizbang, 22 November 2019 - 10:42 AM.


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Posted 22 November 2019 - 10:46 AM

No magic here.  Just be meticulous and you will be fine.

 

Preparation:

Need - latex gloves for handling mirror during cleaning - clean mirror (not a have to, but a nice to have)

gallon of distilled water

Some mild dish washing detergent / soap

a clean large sink for rinsining and cleaning the mirror

Hair dryer with "cool" setting, or air bulb for removing water from mirror

Wash hands thoroughly prior to touching mirror

clean spray bottle with distilled water

clean spray water with one drop of soap and distilled water

Medical / 100% cotton balls from pharmacy section

 

Concerns:

Corrector plates are glass - if you ding them agasint something like the faucet or the side of the sink - it can easily break!  Be carefull and all will be well

 

Removal

1. Tilt the tube up and lock it in place so there is no possible way that the corrector plate can fall out on its own

2.  Loosen and remove all screws / hex bolts that are holding down tightening ring

3.  Remove ring - do NOT remove corrector plate!

4.  Use a permanent marker to place a mark on the outside edge of corrector plate and tube to note rotational position

5.  Test magic marker by marking a piece of glass - let it dry - then try to scrub it off.  Make sure this is actually a permanent mark!  You could also use a dot of nail polish here - 

6.   Note the position of any cork spacers that are around the outside of the corrector lens, and take a picture of the corrector lens positioned in the OTA with the spacers as a reminder

7.  Hold corrector plate by secondary holder (make sure it is not loose before doing this - if the secondary holder is loose and easily turns on the corrector plate, you have a different issue)

8.  Tilt tube, holding corrector plate firmly by secondary holder - plate should slide out of tube 

9.  Note - cork spacers may slide away during this process - try to track them down, or you will have to replace them

10.  Nold edges of mirror with both hands during transport 

 

Cleaning

Before turning on the water, do a dry test run of moving the corrector into and out of the sink area - note - stay clear of hitting it on anything!

Clean one side of the mirror at a time

Do not pour water into or onto the secondary holder!  The secondary holder is not water tight - if you pour water heavily on top of or on the sides of the holder, water will get in the unit and it will be a pain to get it out!

Wash hands thoroughly prior to cleaning secondary

Hold secondary by edges during cleaning to position

 

I have found it easiest to clean in two stages - one over a sink with tap water with final rinse of distilled water, second - use a fluffy town on a counter, table or clean work surface to do final rinse and drying

 

1. with tepid (not hot, not cold) tap water on a low setting, rinse off any debris from corrector plate surface

1.a  NOTE:  If your secondary holder has heavy dust / debris, you will need to soak it to try to loosen up the dirt - if you scrub it off, it acts as grit and will ruin the coatings - this may mean you have to deal with a wet secondary mirror holder, but necessary to rescue the corrector

2. Rinse up against the side of the secondary holder, but don't spray it

2.a  Move mirror around flowing tap water and keep it tilted away from the flow of the water so no water rushes up next to the secondary !!

3. Once one side is rinsed, use fingers (in latex gloves, or just with clean hands) to smooth liberal amounts of dish washing liquid onto surface, with finger tips and very light pressure - try to use circular motion and do not press hard

use water and dish washing soap to clean the glass

4.  Rinse with tap water first, then distilled water to get rid of any contaminents4

5.  Move mirror around rinse water and keep it tilted away from the flow of the water so no water rushes up next to the secondary !!

6.   Be carefule of finger prints if not wearing gloves - hold it by the edges of the corrector plate or the secondar holder

 

7. Turn corrector plate over and clean and rinse the other side

 

Cleaning a really distressed corrector:

NOTE: if you use anything other than finger tips on your corrector plate, you can ruin the coatings

NOTE 2:  That said - a corrector with damaged coatings, while it will lose value, is still better than one with horrible dirt, debri and haze that you can't see through -

just realize that if you scrub your corrector plate, use too much pressure, or over clean the surface - You Will Damage The Coatings!!

A corrector with only minor issues can be cleaned with your finger tips.  If you still see issues after the first cleaning above, you will need to re-clean with cotton balls and soap

 

1.Get a bowl, put distilled water and a cap full of soap into the bowl

2. Soak each cotton ball prior to applying it to the corrector plate surface

3. Only use the cotton ball in a small area on the face of the corrector, and throw it away and get a clean cotton ball after using it 

4.  Use very light pressure on cotton ball - DO NOT SCRUB OR YOU WILL RUIN COATINGS

 

Final rinse and dry

1.  Place a towl on flat surface.  Place corrector on towl - should rest on secondary holder, but edges should not touch the towl

2.  Visually inspect corrector plate - if you see a finger print, use light spray and use spray bottle to clean

3. If looks good - rinse with spray bottle, and use blower or blow dryer to remove water drops from surface

4. Only use distilled water!

5. Use a clean cotton ball to whisk water off of the edge of the corrector

 

6. Flip, and complete

 

Replacing corrector

1. Make sure it is dry - 

2. Use those gloves! Don't want any finger prints after all that work

3. Place corrector plate back, centering as per your marks you placed earlier

4. Slide cork spacers back between corrector and edges (tedious but critical to center your corrector)

5. Replace holder and screws

6.  note - finger tight on the holder - don't clamp hard - just firm



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Posted 22 November 2019 - 11:19 AM

just keep in mind sometimes corrector plate does not come off easy (sticks to gasket) 

 

then you need to use q-tip tab  with alcohol around edges until you get a "pop" sound



#5 Gary Z

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Posted 22 November 2019 - 12:11 PM

Bartine,

 

Your instructions are outstanding!  Thanks for sharing!!!

 

Gary



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Posted 22 November 2019 - 12:45 PM

Here are three links that helped me when I found my vintage C8 that needed cleaning:

 

https://www.cloudyni...n-early-70s-c8/

 

http://ngc1514.com/Celestron/plate.htm

 

https://www.cloudyni...-and-refurbish/

 

And here is my own thread of my step-by-step with pictures of plate marking and removal:

 

https://www.cloudyni...-cap-for-ot-c8/

 

Hope this helps. It’s not as daunting a process as it may seem.


Edited by Terra Nova, 22 November 2019 - 12:49 PM.


#7 Astrodud

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Posted 22 November 2019 - 02:06 PM

Here are three links that helped me when I found my vintage C8 that needed cleaning:

 

https://www.cloudyni...n-early-70s-c8/

 

http://ngc1514.com/Celestron/plate.htm

 

https://www.cloudyni...-and-refurbish/

 

And here is my own thread of my step-by-step with pictures of plate marking and removal:

 

https://www.cloudyni...-cap-for-ot-c8/

 

Hope this helps. It’s not as daunting a process as it may seem.

 

 

Sir, what improvement, if any, did you see AFTER you cleaned your optics?

 

Thank you all who have replied to my query.  I have a new project for the holidays ...



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Posted 22 November 2019 - 03:55 PM

Sir?! 

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Posted 22 November 2019 - 03:57 PM

:lol:

 

Actually none. I never looked through it until I cleaned it. It was pretty nasty.



#10 Astrodud

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Posted 22 November 2019 - 08:59 PM

Sir?! 

 

Sorry bout that ...

 

I work within a military organization and it sticks in the brain ...



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Posted 25 November 2019 - 03:05 AM

Hello Astrodud,

 

you can remove the corrector plate for cleaning as follows:

 

1. Put the tube in vertical position. Remove the screws of the holder ring.

2. Mark the position of the corrector plate with a pen for the exact position for later reassambly.

3. Take care of the positions of the cork buffers. It is best to take some photos of the positions.

4. When disassembled, you can clean the corrector plate with isopropyl alcohol and destilled water. Use camera cleaning cloth.

 

Do steps 1..3 in reverse order for reassembling. After that you have to recollimate your scope.

 

Clear skies

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Posted 25 November 2019 - 03:38 AM

Great advice!

 

But with apologies if this is a hijack, my mid '70's Orange tube C-8 gives such beautiful and sharp images I am afraid to clean it. Even with some spots on the corrector and mirror, it provides the best images of any SCT I have ever owned or looked through.

 

Has anyone ever had a SCT turn out worse after cleaning? I am not talking about image brightness, but worse with regard to spherical correction and/or other optical errors. Even with careful re-assembly and marking of components, is it possible that whatever combination of optical alignment and positioning that made the telescope perform so well could be lost?

 

I feel like maybe I should leave well enough alone and live with a little contamination.

 

What do you think?

 

Steve



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Posted 25 November 2019 - 05:42 PM

Dumb question I guess.



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Posted 26 November 2019 - 02:21 AM

Hello Steve,

 

i had 3 or 4 orange tube C8s in the past disassembled and cleaned. Most of them with seems to have bad optics, but were not collimated properly by the previous owners. I think a proper collimation is really the key.

But you have to be very careful during disassembling. Take photos of each step. An check that the cork buffers are exaktly at the same position after reassembly. I don't know if there are some orange tube C8s out there which have really bad optics.

 

CS

 Sven



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Posted 26 November 2019 - 04:37 AM

Thank you, Sven.



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Posted 27 November 2019 - 08:57 AM

Actually Steve - this is a great question.

 

The rule of thumb for any astronomy gear is 

 

  • Don't clean it unless you have to

 

If you are getting good views from your C8 - don't mess with it

 

There are many articles out there from professional astronomers - they all preach this.



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Posted 27 November 2019 - 02:19 PM

Hello Steve,

 

i had 3 or 4 orange tube C8s in the past disassembled and cleaned. Most of them with seems to have bad optics, but were not collimated properly by the previous owners. I think a proper collimation is really the key.

But you have to be very careful during disassembling. Take photos of each step. An check that the cork buffers are exaktly at the same position after reassembly. I don't know if there are some orange tube C8s out there which have really bad optics.

 

CS

 Sven

 

Sven,

 

Want to thank you for laying it all out there for me to clean my optics.  I would not even consider this if it were not for the fact that the scope has suffered from bad (smudgy) views for a while.  Checking the corrector with an LED light shows a film that is easily removable (not a fungus).  I have owned this beauty for over 10 years and want to continue to do so.  The scope is not really usable in it's current state as images appear fuzzy.  I have some time off during the holidays so I have planned this little project to work on.

 

If, after cleaning, a star test indicates that the scope is out of collimation, I know where to find the information to fix it ... here.

 

 

Thanks again ...



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Posted 27 November 2019 - 08:13 PM

Where in FL?




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