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#1 Cirax

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Posted 30 November 2019 - 03:55 PM

I was thinking about to get a CC for my ES 10" UL Dobson, but one thing that bothers me is its performance at high magnifications especially with the required to see my favorite sky objects: globular clusters.  For my dobson the optimal exit pupil to watch them is the ES 6.7mm 82º eyepiece corresponding to x190. 

 

 

But I read in another thread about coma correctors like, for example, the GSO CC that at such magnifications deteriorates the image so much that people removes it.  I don't want to remove more things in the middle of the night.  I have enough wasting my time mounting a truss telescope, and changing eyepieces and filters.  

 

Direct to point I was thing to buy the Explore Scientific HR CC but I don't know if it suffers the same problem that the GSO.  I will also ask for its performance in very high magnifications for planetary (up to x380 with the 6.7mm plus focal extender x2).   Very high mags doesn't bothers me much, its just curiosity, I use them for bright equal doubles and for planetary (mainly the Moon).

 

Performance of the Paracor 2 will be also interesting but I think is out of my budget.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

 



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Posted 30 November 2019 - 04:10 PM

But I read in another thread about coma correctors like, for example, the GSO CC that at such magnifications deteriorates the image so much that people removes it. 

I never had that experience when using my GSO CC in combination with the ES 6.7mm.  I used them together many times on globular clusters with no problems.

 

The GSO CC does increase the magnification by about 10%, which could impact the image quality if the seeing is poor, but if the CC itself has an effect that's the first I've heard of it.  I'll be following to see what others with more experience have to say about this.



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Posted 30 November 2019 - 05:11 PM

I read Preclaud say that of his observations, and have been asking about it myself to see if anyone else had that problem.

That would be inconvenient at f3.5.

I've read others say the GSO reduces coma by 5x all across the field at f3.2, and even improves the field at f2.65, 24mm eyepiece. He saw coma off axis but did not care and looked straight on.

No one else commented about high power. Glad to have a second data point now.

Maybe Preclaud did not have his at exactly the optimal location.

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Posted 30 November 2019 - 05:40 PM

But I read in another thread about coma correctors like, for example, the GSO CC that at such magnifications deteriorates the image so much that people removes it.  

That does not happen with a Paracorr 2.



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Posted 30 November 2019 - 06:23 PM

I was thinking about to get a CC for my ES 10" UL Dobson, but one thing that bothers me is its performance at high magnifications especially with the required to see my favorite sky objects: globular clusters.  For my dobson the optimal exit pupil to watch them is the ES 6.7mm 82º eyepiece corresponding to x190. 

 

 

But I read in another thread about coma correctors like, for example, the GSO CC that at such magnifications deteriorates the image so much that people removes it.  I don't want to remove more things in the middle of the night.  I have enough wasting my time mounting a truss telescope, and changing eyepieces and filters.  

 

Direct to point I was thing to buy the Explore Scientific HR CC but I don't know if it suffers the same problem that the GSO.  I will also ask for its performance in very high magnifications for planetary (up to x380 with the 6.7mm plus focal extender x2).   Very high mags doesn't bothers me much, its just curiosity, I use them for bright equal doubles and for planetary (mainly the Moon).

 

Performance of the Paracor 2 will be also interesting but I think is out of my budget.

 

Thanks in advance.

The Paracorr II is current on sale, so it might be affordable.

I regularly use a 3.7mm eyepiece with my 12.5", with a Paracorr, and have often see details on Ganymede at Jupiter, white markings on Uranus (including a white stripe a year or so ago), and

multiple moons at Uranus.  Triton is very easy at Neptune and the disc is clean, but I've never seen any details on the disc.

NGC7009 shows its inner warped rings and the faint outer "pods".  NGC7662 was amazingly detailed at that magnification.

My lifetime best image of Jupiter was with a 2X PowerMate, the Paracorr, and an 8mm Ethos (4mm equivalent).

So high powers are not an issue with the Paracorr II.



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Posted 30 November 2019 - 07:05 PM

Does anyone know the math on the relationship of the need for a Paracorr and magnification. In other words are there diminishing returns when the exit pupil gets down to a certain size?



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Posted 30 November 2019 - 07:46 PM

Does anyone know the math on the relationship of the need for a Paracorr and magnification. In other words are there diminishing returns when the exit pupil gets down to a certain size?

The only math I am aware of is figuring out how much of the eyepiece AFOV is diffraction limited for coma given the parameters above. The diffraction limited coma area at f/3.6 is 0.022 F^3 ~ 1mm. The coma sweet spot has a TFOV of 57.3 * Coma Free/FL or 57.3 * 1mm/1800mm ~   0.03 degrees.

 

At 190x, the OP preferred magnification for globulars, translates to an AFOV of 190 * 0.03 ~ 6 degrees. Compared to his 82 AFOV eyepiece, that's a pretty small area compared to the much wider eyepiece FOV. Only the center FOV is diffraction limited without a coma corrector. 

 

Messier 13 is about 20 arc minutes, or about 0.3 degrees, in apparent diameter. At 190x, it will cover about 60 degrees (10x the size of the coma sweet spot) of the 82 degree AFOV, but I suspect the brighter portion of the globular will be a little smaller. Still, it does look as though M13 will not fit within the 6 degree AFOV diffraction limited coma field.

 

At f/3.6, one does seem to need a coma corrector at least to 1mm exit pupil. To magnify the 0.03 degree coma sweet spot to the 82 degrees AFOV of the eyepiece, one would need magnification over 2,700x. Or at least half that magnification for a decent coma diffraction limited field of view. 


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Posted 30 November 2019 - 08:05 PM

Does anyone know the math on the relationship of the need for a Paracorr and magnification. In other words are there diminishing returns when the exit pupil gets down to a certain size?

In a 20" F/4 light cone, the CFF is about twice the diameter of Jupiter.

In a 20" F/3 light cone, the CFF is smaller than the diameter of Jupiter.

 

I would occasionally take the Paracorr (1) out of my 20" F/4 when viewing Jupiter, and marvel at the resolution as Jupiter fell through the small window of the CFF. With my Paracorr 2 you no longer have to do this.



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Posted 30 November 2019 - 08:07 PM

Does anyone know the math on the relationship of the need for a Paracorr and magnification. In other words are there diminishing returns when the exit pupil gets down to a certain size?

It's fairly easy, actually.

It depends solely on apparent field, not magnification.

I'll explain:

 

Coma has a linear size that increases linearly from zero at the center of the field to a certain size at a certain distance from the center of the field.

I.e., coma's size, in linear terms, is twice as great at 20mm off-axis as it is at 10mm off-axis.

 

Coma also has an apparent size.  Since the star is not a mathematical point, it has a size, and the apparent size grows larger with increased distance from center.

I.e. a star image will appear to be twice as long, in a radial direction, 20mm off-axis as at 10mm off-axis.  The Apparent size is what we see with the eye in the field of view.

 

Take two 20mm eyepieces, one of 50°, and one of 100°.

The 100° eyepiece extends twice as far from center in the field of the scope, so the apparent size of coma at the edge will be twice as large as in the 50° eyepiece.

As you can see, the larger the apparent field, the larger is both linear size of coma and the apparent size of coma.

 

Now, double the magnification of the 100° eyepiece--make it a 10mm eyepiece.

The field is now 1/2 as wide, so the star images at the edge have 1/2 the linear size and are identical to the 50° eyepiece at the 20mm focal length.

Ah, but now the magnification is literally twice the magnification of the 20mm eyepieces, so the comatic star image at the edge, though 1/2 as large linearly,

is twice as large apparently.  Twice times 1/2 = 1.  So the apparent size of coma at the edge of the field in the 10mm 100° is exactly the same as it was in the 20mm 100° eyepiece.

 

And the math works out to carry this all the way up.  Essentially, the visibility of coma to the eye is related to apparent field, not magnification.  100° eyepieces, at all powers,

display coma to be apparently twice the size of 50° eyepieces.  I can see coma in my 3.7mm 110° eyepiece quite easily at f/5 when I do not use a coma corrector.

 

Is there an exception to the rule?  Yes.  When the field stop of the eyepiece is small enough that the linear size of coma is hidden in the Airy disc.

No 100/110° eyepiece has a field stop that small, but some small field ortho and monocentric eyepieces do.

 

So why doesn't every observer see coma at all magnifications?

--they use narrower apparent field eyepieces at high power.  That reduces the visibility of coma.

--they are looking at primarily tiny targets at high power, in the center of the field.  If coma is present at the edge, who would notice?  You're not viewing there.

--the outer edges of the comatic star image are a lot fainter than the inner point.  If the sky is light polluted, or the scope is small, the outer comatic part of the star image might not be visible

--they are looking at bright targets that reduce night vision so the faint outer parts of comatic stars are less visible.

 

But, in essence, the visibility of coma has a formula:

The larger the apparent field, the more visible coma is, in a simple ratio: the ratio of the wider field to the narrow field = the increased visibility of coma.

In our example, 100°/50° = 2x the apparent size of coma at the edge.  We can't necessarily say it means it will be twice as visible.



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Posted 30 November 2019 - 09:20 PM

--they are looking at primarily tiny targets at high power, in the center of the field.  If coma is present at the edge, who would notice?  You're not viewing there.

 

One of the reasons for using ServoCat....

And most importantly. Long-term stability of the picture allows you to see more details.


Edited by a__l, 30 November 2019 - 10:02 PM.


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Posted 30 November 2019 - 09:36 PM

Does anyone have an answer for the OP, about how well the GSO works? There are already lots of threads about the P2. It was good and relevant though that the P2 can stay in even at very high power. I might buy one. But I'm curious what the GSO can handle.

Edited by stargazer193857, 30 November 2019 - 09:43 PM.


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Posted 30 November 2019 - 09:42 PM

Does anyone know the math on the relationship of the need for a Paracorr and magnification. In other words are there diminishing returns when the exit pupil gets down to a certain size?


Coma size grows linearly with apparent distance from the center, and is a good test for your vision. It should look the same at all magnifications until you can see the airy disk, where in the middle it can hide inside that disk.

The coma free region is the region that won't look worse than an airy disk at magnifications high enough to see one. For many of use, the coma fee zone appears much larger just because our eyes are not sharp enough to see it. My vision is 20/30, and at f5, the coma free zone appears about 40 apparent degrees wide. On a 20mm 82 deg, that is 13mm, much wider than sharp eyed Don't and Jon report.

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Posted 30 November 2019 - 10:06 PM

...for example, the GSO CC that at such magnifications deteriorates the image so much that people removes it.  

 

I wonder if the OP is referring to "tuning" the eyepieces to the coma corrector. It's possible, I guess, for performance at high power to suffer if the eyepieces are not tuned to the proper spacing(?). For the GSO, seems folks use parfocal rings and the PCII has a tune-able top for this reason. 


Edited by Asbytec, 30 November 2019 - 10:08 PM.


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Posted 01 December 2019 - 12:50 AM

I was thinking about to get a CC for my ES 10" UL Dobson, but one thing that bothers me is its performance at high magnifications especially with the required to see my favorite sky objects: globular clusters.  For my dobson the optimal exit pupil to watch them is the ES 6.7mm 82º eyepiece corresponding to x190. 

 

 

But I read in another thread about coma correctors like, for example, the GSO CC that at such magnifications deteriorates the image so much that people removes it.  I don't want to remove more things in the middle of the night.  I have enough wasting my time mounting a truss telescope, and changing eyepieces and filters.  

 

Direct to point I was thing to buy the Explore Scientific HR CC but I don't know if it suffers the same problem that the GSO.  I will also ask for its performance in very high magnifications for planetary (up to x380 with the 6.7mm plus focal extender x2).   Very high mags doesn't bothers me much, its just curiosity, I use them for bright equal doubles and for planetary (mainly the Moon).

 

Performance of the Paracor 2 will be also interesting but I think is out of my budget.

 

Thanks in advance.

Not sure where you heard that the GSO CC deteriorates the image, but I use it on my Breeser 208mm f/3.9 and see no issues at all even with a 4mm UWA eyepiece. Star images look great across the entire FOV. 




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Posted 01 December 2019 - 06:17 AM

I wonder if the OP is referring to "tuning" the eyepieces to the coma corrector. It's possible, I guess, for performance at high power to suffer if the eyepieces are not tuned to the proper spacing(?). For the GSO, seems folks use parfocal rings and the PCII has a tune-able top for this reason. 

 I suspect something like that: bad spacing with parafocal rings or just the people removes it because the coma in short focal lengths and planetary doesn't matters.

 

Thanks also for commenting the Paracorr 2 but here in Europe the price is stratospheric, more than 600€ , while in astronomics.com is around 400$ (something more reasonable)



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Posted 01 December 2019 - 10:52 AM

 I suspect something like that: bad spacing with parafocal rings or just the people removes it because the coma in short focal lengths and planetary doesn't matters.

 

Thanks also for commenting the Paracorr 2 but here in Europe the price is stratospheric, more than 600€ , while in astronomics.com is around 400$ (something more reasonable)

To be honest for what your initial comment here on observing globs using shorter focal length (and very good eyepieces) with a 10" f/5 the CC may really not be necessary. To be honest I do not use a CC in either of my larger dobs, as I tend not to use longer focal length eyepieces much, but only to find a given object (mostly galaxies). Even on a recent outing with my 208mm f/3.9 I pulled out the CC to get a final view of the night of M-82 with a Celestron 7mm X-Cel LX. The view was great. 

The Paracorr 2 is a great CC, but there are alternatives in cost saving, particularly with an f/5 system that is far more tolerant than say my f/3.9


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Posted 01 December 2019 - 12:11 PM

Two data points say the GSO has a sharp center even in a 4mm eyepiece.


Anyone paying $120 for the GSO needs to also pay $20 for a 19mm spacer for visual. So really $140. Since it lacks a tunable top, you have to adjust each eyepiece by sliding their barrel in or out a bit. Most should be close.


I think those with spherical aberration in the center did not put it at the optimal position. I suspect the P2 is easier to get to the optimal position. It has +/- 5mm of tolerance, but I'd get as close as possible.

Besides a tunable top and greater ease getting to the optimal position, the P2 also shrinks edge stars by 15x instead of just 5x. It is also designed to be optimized closer to the f3 light cone. So its edges at f3 should be a lot better.

I read a review by someone using the GSO at f2.65. He said it was a definite improvement as he used it at low power. His home made mirror was flaws though, and he says he wishes he had done f3 instead.

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Posted 01 December 2019 - 12:30 PM

What we need now is for Preclaud and others who saw fuzzy central stars at high power to tell us if they used the 19mm spacer and how careful they were about positioning and to please try adjusting again. It could also be manufacturing variability, which we want to rule out or confirm.

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Posted 01 December 2019 - 12:39 PM

Two data points say the GSO has a sharp center even in a 4mm eyepiece.


Anyone paying $120 for the GSO needs to also pay $20 for a 19mm spacer for visual. So really $140. Since it lacks a tunable top, you have to adjust each eyepiece by sliding their barrel in or out a bit. Most should be close.


I think those with spherical aberration in the center did not put it at the optimal position. I suspect the P2 is easier to get to the optimal position. It has +/- 5mm of tolerance, but I'd get as close as possible.

Besides a tunable top and greater ease getting to the optimal position, the P2 also shrinks edge stars by 15x instead of just 5x. It is also designed to be optimized closer to the f3 light cone. So its edges at f3 should be a lot better.

I read a review by someone using the GSO at f2.65. He said it was a definite improvement as he used it at low power. His home made mirror was flaws though, and he says he wishes he had done f3 instead.

I use the GSO CC on my Bresser 208mm f/3.9, and right out of the box with no issues. Though I must say I use the Celestron X-Cel LX line mostly, which are parfocal, and are lightweight, which is why I use them on this scope.  

When the new OO 12" f/4 comes in, then I just might get the Paracorr 2, as it's being made specialized for visual use.   


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Posted 02 December 2019 - 01:04 AM

Direct to point I was thing to buy the Explore Scientific HR CC but I don't know if it suffers the same problem that the GSO

The HRCC is a very high quality coma corrector. Although I don't do a lot of high power viewing with my dob, I've never noticed the HRCC to cause the image deteriorate with increased magnification. I do not believe the HRCC would cause any deterioration of the image at amy magnification.

I suspect the issue you read about with the GSO has more to do with spacing of the eyepiece than optics. The HRCC allows precise spacing with its tunable top. It's a two edged sword though because it also requires a lot of turning unless you parafocalize your eyepieces. You can also get rough focus by sliding the eyepiece up and down in the tube before locking it in to reduce the number of rotations needed on the top.

One thing to consider about the HRCC is it requires 32mm of in focus travel, which is more than the GSO or Parrcorr. Not all telescopes can accommodate the additional infocus without modification.

Edited by Ihtegla Sar, 02 December 2019 - 01:06 AM.


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Posted 02 December 2019 - 02:58 AM

What do they mean by infocus? From how many inches out to start with?

I'd rather be told how far the end of the tube needs to be inserted past the default focal plane.

Does that mean the ES needs a spacer for visual?
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The people at ES need to hire someone else to write product descriptions. It reads almost like an eBay ad. The ES is twice the price of the GSO and has almost no specs reported. Just the height and that it has coatings that reduce internal reflections. Who does the author think is reading the ad?


As for a worse center, several astrophotographers have photographed this in the GSO and Baader and ES, saying they saw f4 as having this problem while f5 was fine. But maybe they just did not get the spacing right.

Edited by stargazer193857, 02 December 2019 - 03:19 AM.


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Posted 02 December 2019 - 03:28 AM

What do they mean by infocus? From how many inches out to start with?

I'd rather be told how far the end of the tube needs to be inserted past the default focal plane.

Does that mean the ES needs a spacer for visual.


By "in focus" I mean that prime focus is moved 32mm inward when the coma corrector is inserted.

You can set up the HRCC quite easily. Just dial the tunable top to 13.5mm and insert it into the telescope focuser. Then put some scotch tape or wax paper on the front and focus on a bright object like the moon, Jupiter or Sirius. Once you have it in focus, lock the focuser and use the tunable top to focus individual eyepieces.

Not sure what you mean by "does the ES need a spacer for visual." The ES comes with a tunable top, so you don't need a spacer.

But with the telescope set up with enough in travel for use with the HRCC, you might need a spacer when not using the HRCC, depending on how much travel your focuser has. My telescope (a 12" Skywatcher collapsable) does require a spacer to come to focus without the HRCC. All Skywatcher collapsable telescopes come with a spacer, but you can just insert the HRCC into the telescope focuser directly, without the spacer.

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Posted 02 December 2019 - 03:32 AM

Highpoint has a download of the user manual for the HRCC under "files" it has a little more info on how to use the HRCC for visual and photographic use.

https://www.highpoin...ector-hrcc02-00

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Posted 02 December 2019 - 08:50 AM

The HRCC is a very high quality coma corrector. Although I don't do a lot of high power viewing with my dob, I've never noticed the HRCC to cause the image deteriorate with increased magnification. I do not believe the HRCC would cause any deterioration of the image at amy magnification.

I suspect the issue you read about with the GSO has more to do with spacing of the eyepiece than optics. The HRCC allows precise spacing with its tunable top. It's a two edged sword though because it also requires a lot of turning unless you parafocalize your eyepieces. You can also get rough focus by sliding the eyepiece up and down in the tube before locking it in to reduce the number of rotations needed on the top.

One thing to consider about the HRCC is it requires 32mm of in focus travel, which is more than the GSO or Parrcorr. Not all telescopes can accommodate the additional infocus without modification.

 

Thanks Ihtegla I was thinking in the ES HRCC over the GSO because it has tuneable top (helical focuser) so I don't have to use parafocal rings to make the final adjustments. I have 3 telescopes and I want to use the eyepieces also with them not only with the 10" dob.

 

The ES HRCC manual: https://www.explores...91aa1e7003c.pdf



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Posted 02 December 2019 - 09:06 AM

Thanks Ihtegla I was thinking in the ES HRCC over the GSO because it has tuneable top (helical focuser) so I don't have to use parafocal rings to make the final adjustments. I have 3 telescopes and I want to use the eyepieces also with them not only with the 10" dob.

 

The ES HRCC manual: https://www.explores...91aa1e7003c.pdf

 

I think the difficulty with the HRCC is that the Tuneable Top is very fine so a lot of turns can be required if one is use the Tuneable top by itself.  It's helpful to Parfocalize so that only small corrections are needed.

 

Coma correction is sensitive to spacing but far less sensitive than focusing is.  At F/5, the depth of focus is 0,055mm, or about 0.002", less than the thickness of a human hair.  coma correction is much less sensitive than that, the steps sizes on a Paraccor 2 are 2.5mm.  That's a factor of 45 at F/5.

 

What this means is if you parfocalize your eyepieces for the GSO coma corrector, once the zero position is established, you can just use focuser to fine tune the focus.  If the eyepieces are not parfocalized, if base zero position is established, you can position the eyepieces by roughly focusing them by sliding them in and out and the fine focusing with the focuser.  

 

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