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#26 MeridianStarGazer

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Posted 02 December 2019 - 09:38 AM

By "in focus" I mean that prime focus is moved 32mm inward when the coma corrector is inserted.

You can set up the HRCC quite easily. Just dial the tunable top to 13.5mm and insert it into the telescope focuser. Then put some scotch tape or wax paper on the front and focus on a bright object like the moon, Jupiter or Sirius. Once you have it in focus, lock the focuser and use the tunable top to focus individual eyepieces.

Not sure what you mean by "does the ES need a spacer for visual." The ES comes with a tunable top, so you don't need a spacer.

But with the telescope set up with enough in travel for use with the HRCC, you might need a spacer when not using the HRCC, depending on how much travel your focuser has. My telescope (a 12" Skywatcher collapsable) does require a spacer to come to focus without the HRCC. All Skywatcher collapsable telescopes come with a spacer, but you can just insert the HRCC into the telescope focuser directly, without the spacer.



Coma correctors don't move the focal plane inward. They move it outward. I wish they would use better terms, such has "the eyepiece receiver places the eyepiece out further from the focal plane, requiring infocus to compensate".


As for spacers, yes many coma correctors do require spacers for visual. They are designed for astrographs, whose focal plane comes out further relative to the lip so cameras can reach focus. Visual Newtonian have the focuser lip further out towards the focal plane. That means the CC is not placed at the right location unless a spacer is used to place it in further so it can be optimal and come to focus at the same time.

With non opticians writing ads for optical equipment, it is no wonder why several people are reporting aberrations in the center of view. I'm still not confident the ES does not need a spacer. It includes two, but they might be for after the focuser. Something about a T bracket.

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Posted 02 December 2019 - 01:26 PM

Coma correctors don't move the focal plane inward. They move it outward. I wish they would use better terms, such has "the eyepiece receiver places the eyepiece out further from the focal plane, requiring infocus to compensate".


As for spacers, yes many coma correctors do require spacers for visual. They are designed for astrographs, whose focal plane comes out further relative to the lip so cameras can reach focus. Visual Newtonian have the focuser lip further out towards the focal plane. That means the CC is not placed at the right location unless a spacer is used to place it in further so it can be optimal and come to focus at the same time.

With non opticians writing ads for optical equipment, it is no wonder why several people are reporting aberrations in the center of view. I'm still not confident the ES does not need a spacer. It includes two, but they might be for after the focuser. Something about a T bracket.

Take an eyepiece.  Insert it in the focuser.  Focus.

Insert the HRCC and insert the eyepiece in the HRCC.

When the HRCC top is tuned to the correct position for that eyepiece, the focuser will move in 32mm relative to where it focused before the HRCC was inserted into the visual chain.

That should be fairly clear.

 

The 2 accessories packaged with the HRCC are camera adapters that thread onto the HRCC when the helical top is removed.

That should get the camera the extra in-focus necessary without moving the coma corrector away from its optimum position in the light cone from the primary.

 

No spacers should be needed for the scope unless the HRCC is removed for some reason.



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Posted 02 December 2019 - 03:37 PM

Take an eyepiece. Insert it in the focuser. Focus.
Insert the HRCC and insert the eyepiece in the HRCC.
When the HRCC top is tuned to the correct position for that eyepiece, the focuser will move in 32mm relative to where it focused before the HRCC was inserted into the visual chain.
That should be fairly clear.

The 2 accessories packaged with the HRCC are camera adapters that thread onto the HRCC when the helical top is removed.
That should get the camera the extra in-focus necessary without moving the coma corrector away from its optimum position in the light cone from the primary.

No spacers should be needed for the scope unless the HRCC is removed for some reason.


Your description of the 32mm is very clear. As for the adapters, I caught the most important part, which is that I don't need them for visual.

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Posted 02 December 2019 - 09:14 PM

But I read in another thread about coma correctors like, for example, the GSO CC that at such magnifications deteriorates the image so much that people removes it.

One problem with hobbyist forums is that if you read long enough you can find all sorts of information from all sorts of folks. Some of it will be incorrect, some factual. Some posters will be well informed, some much less so. Whoever posted that experience was likely misinterpreting what they saw.

 

I have used the GSO coma corrector in a 10" f4.7 Dob (with ES82 6.7 and 4.7mm) and a Paracorr 2 on that scope and a 16" f4.49 Dob at up to 1200x via 3.5T6 Nagler + 2x Barlow with excellent results. The coma corrector stays in my Dob all the time I am observing and my standard practice is to use high magnifications preferentially. Most sessions see 446x successfully used.

 

I have never entertained the idea of using the ES corrector because of the threads. I use all the settings on the P2, from A to H and getting that amount of adjustment on the ES would be a pain in the wrist before the night was over. The GSO works well and is a bargain. The P2 works better but costs considerably more.



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Posted 02 December 2019 - 09:40 PM

Take an eyepiece.  Insert it in the focuser.  Focus.

Insert the HRCC and insert the eyepiece in the HRCC.

When the HRCC top is tuned to the correct position for that eyepiece, the focuser will move in 32mm relative to where it focused before the HRCC was inserted into the visual chain.

That should be fairly clear.

But one needs no focuser in order to determine the position of the focal plane::

 

Focus4.jpg

 

Perhaps you are NOT talking about the focal plane itself, but the position of the focuser draw tube with and without said corrector..



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Posted 02 December 2019 - 09:56 PM


Coma correctors don't move the focal plane inward. They move it outward. I wish they would use better terms, such has "the eyepiece receiver places the eyepiece out further from the focal plane, requiring infocus to compensate".


Yes, I meant relative to the eyepiece. So the net effect is that you need an additional 32mm of inward travel on your focuser for the HRCC to work.

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Posted 02 December 2019 - 10:35 PM

Yes, I meant relative to the eyepiece. So the net effect is that you need an additional 32mm of inward travel on your focuser for the HRCC to work.


Would spacers achieve that same effect?
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I'd like to replace the top of the GSO CC with a helical focuser.

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Posted 02 December 2019 - 10:51 PM

But one needs no focuser in order to determine the position of the focal plane::

Focus4.jpg

Perhaps you are NOT talking about the focal plane itself, but the position of the focuser draw tube with and without said corrector..

Correct. The position of the focuser drawtube.

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Posted 03 December 2019 - 08:33 PM

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I wonder if that helical focuser could be attached atop the GSO barrel, replacing its receiver.


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