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#51 Dave Bush

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Posted 18 December 2019 - 01:00 PM

Ali Express won't even let you search unless you log in. A rather hostile site.

 

I run Debian with XFCE, btw.

Not true.  I search all the time without logging in.  I didn't even have an account until recently.



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Posted 18 December 2019 - 01:01 PM

Same thing here no shopping unless you log in... nice for quality data collection...crazy.gif

 

I use No Script, Privacy badger and Cookie auto destroy.  I think there is a configuration in one of these 3 add-ons that is causing malfunction on Aliexpress by default. There must be a known tracking script there that is blocked by default by these add-ons.

 

Even if the website is not dangerous.. it could have invasive tracking capabilities. Not illegal but not desirable either.

Use a modern OS and browser and you'll be fine.  Just clean up afterwards if your paranoid.



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Posted 18 December 2019 - 01:26 PM

Not true.  I search all the time without logging in.  I didn't even have an account until recently.

It is true. All searches bring up the login screen.



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Posted 18 December 2019 - 01:28 PM

It is true. All searches bring up the login screen.

Not for me.  I'm running Safari and Chrome on a Mac.

 

Just tried it on a Windows system using Edge and there too, no login popup.


Edited by Dave Bush, 18 December 2019 - 01:29 PM.


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Posted 18 December 2019 - 02:05 PM

So just clear out your cookies once you're done visiting the site.

I just block them. Third party cookies can be a security or privacy concern.

 

How are your cookies?

 

https://www.grc.com/...m?zabclksmgtqkp



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Posted 18 December 2019 - 02:07 PM

Ali Express won't even let you search unless you log in. A rather hostile site.

 

I run Debian with XFCE, btw.

Yeah, it's a site I wouldn't visit in Windows. I worry enough with macOS.



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Posted 18 December 2019 - 02:10 PM

Use a modern OS and browser and you'll be fine.  Just clean up afterwards if your paranoid.

Linux Mint (and Debian based systems in general) is modern, and it is far more secure than Windows.



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Posted 18 December 2019 - 02:13 PM

I just block them. Third party cookies can be a security or privacy concern.

 

How are your cookies?

 

https://www.grc.com/...m?zabclksmgtqkp

Like I said, I clear them out...

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Posted 18 December 2019 - 02:30 PM

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Great solution and experimentation there.

 

Yeah there was a slight change of course lol.gif

 

Some people will order on Ali others won't.. personally I think it's sad for America (US or Canada) but I buy Chinese things myself like everyone else. It's just that I haven't fully realized how easy it is to buy 100% Chinese nowadays, a Chinese product bought from a Chinese website, it makes me feel like a traitor even more.

 

I don't feel proud.

 

Plus, in a situation like this I wonder if the profit for America looks like zero...

Yeah, experimentation is the only way sometimes.

 

I haven't got any problems ordering from sites like AliExpress, it's just that sites that look like that make me glad I run Unix (Ubuntu, macOS).

 

Kaspersky says it's fine.

 

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So, no drive-by trojans then ...



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Posted 18 December 2019 - 02:31 PM

Not for me.  I'm running Safari and Chrome on a Mac.

 

Just tried it on a Windows system using Edge and there too, no login popup.

It is for me, running Firefox with a number of security and privacy add-ons. AliExpress is the only merchandising site that pull these kinds of shenanigans. It tells you where their priorities lie. There is no login popup; it a redirect to the login page.



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Posted 18 December 2019 - 02:32 PM

Like I said, I clear them out...

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That can work too.



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Posted 18 December 2019 - 02:34 PM

It is for me, running Firefox with a number of security and privacy add-ons. AliExpress is the only merchandising site that pull these kinds of shenanigans. It tells you where their priorities lie. There is no login popup; it a redirect to the login page.

Redirects are often dodgy.



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Posted 18 December 2019 - 02:36 PM

I ceased using Chrome after Manifest V3.



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Posted 18 December 2019 - 02:42 PM

... a Chinese product bought from a Chinese website, it makes me feel like a traitor even more.

 

I don't feel proud.

Are you serious?
 



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Posted 18 December 2019 - 02:44 PM

AliExpress checks out on Browser Leaks: https://browserleaks.com/



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Posted 18 December 2019 - 05:52 PM

Are you serious?
 

Yes! I don't reject the idea of a bit of patriotism. But like I said, I buy from china also so..



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Posted 18 December 2019 - 06:52 PM

Use a modern OS and browser and you'll be fine.  Just clean up afterwards if your paranoid.

Ohh .. ouch.  I love that OS Dave Bush... it's a gift to humanity just like Stellarium.

 

My problem with Ali could reside in the Firefox protections also, not necessarily 3rd party Add-ons like No Script. It's the way I configure the browser more then the OS I highly suspect. The goal is to block the tracking scripts, the analytics along with real time cookie control.

 

If I let the analytics run and if I let the cookies build up.. In my opinion, I miss the whole idea of "better privacy"  And it's fun to play with that occasionally, no script is great especially.



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Posted 18 December 2019 - 08:18 PM

Not for me.  I'm running Safari and Chrome on a Mac.

 

Just tried it on a Windows system using Edge and there too, no login popup.

Also not true for me using Firefox on a Windows 8 PC.  No login necessary to search; I searched for "telescope eyepiece" and worked just fine a few days ago.


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Posted 18 December 2019 - 11:38 PM

Kaspersky says it's fine.
 
So, no drive-by trojans then …

 
Of course, no other drive-by trojans because 'kaspersky' is a spyware itself   banned in all US governmental departments  (BTW, Mr. Kaspersky is a high-ranked officer of the Russian intelligence service, FSB lol.gif flowerred.gif )
 

Also not true for me using Firefox on a Windows 8 PC.  No login necessary to search; I searched for "telescope eyepiece" and worked just fine a few days ago.

 

For me too. Firefox on a recent Win version works fine on Ali, immediately brings all eyepieces in response to search even though I use the 'private window' option.


Edited by CeleNoptic, 18 December 2019 - 11:43 PM.


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Posted 18 December 2019 - 11:46 PM

 
Of course, no other drive-by trojans because 'kaspersky' is a spyware itself   banned in all US governmental departments  (BTW, Mr. Kaspersky is a high-ranked officer of the Russian intelligence service, FSB lol.gif flowerred.gif )
 

 

 

That only makes me like Kaspersky more. If I used an AV it would definitely be Kaspersky now! I don't believe in AV's these days. I stopped running Windows. It is the best decision I ever made. 


Edited by Shorty Barlow, 18 December 2019 - 11:54 PM.


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Posted 19 December 2019 - 07:31 AM

Ah but Microsoft is a main target in this world.. they have to aggressively update their software every weeks in order to claim a certain level of security.. their operating system is under heavy attack every passing  seconds. Linux is not really an evil entity.. the code is open, not really fit for offices either.

 

For that reason.. I think Linux is a truly wise choice in therms of security, Applications not as good as Adobe AutoDESK Microsoft.. but the OS it's so clean, this has a lot of value to me.

 

If my current softwares have trouble with Aliexpress, it's not because the OS is not good, it's because there is some kind of security issue to address in order to make things work. It will work when I decide to spend time configuring it and make it work.



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Posted 19 December 2019 - 08:31 AM

Ah but Microsoft is a main target in this world.. they have to aggressively update their software every weeks in order to claim a certain level of security.. their operating system is under heavy attack every passing  seconds. Linux is not really an evil entity.. the code is open, not really fit for offices either.

 

For that reason.. I think Linux is a truly wise choice in therms of security, Applications not as good as Adobe AutoDESK Microsoft.. but the OS it's so clean, this has a lot of value to me.

 

If my current softwares have trouble with Aliexpress, it's not because the OS is not good, it's because there is some kind of security issue to address in order to make things work. It will work when I decide to spend time configuring it and make it work.

It's probably an extension clash if you're having problems in AliExpress. Very few people run AV's on Linux, there's no need. Not only is it a *minority OS its system architecture is inherently safer. I still use a degree of browser hardening.

 

*Interestingly, I believe the majority of servers on the net run Linux.



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Posted 19 December 2019 - 05:04 PM

It's probably an extension clash if you're having problems in AliExpress. Very few people run AV's on Linux, there's no need. Not only is it a *minority OS its system architecture is inherently safer. I still use a degree of browser hardening.

 

*Interestingly, I believe the majority of servers on the net run Linux.

Yes.... I'll correct that someday.. I don't need anymore ES eyepieces currently. Did you buy the 24mm 68d ? I remember you wanted to buy one or at least it was an idea.

 

Here I think the sky looks not too bad now, I might go out for a polar observation tonight. It's -10 Celsius / -16 with the wind.. I had to get a Canada Goose parka last year.. the coat here is Canada is almost as important as the telescope and eyepieces themselves.



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Posted 19 December 2019 - 05:08 PM

 the coat here is Canada is almost as important as the telescope and eyepieces themselves.

Amen.  I live in Colorado and it's no where near as cold as you folks get up there but I can appreciate that.

 

I recall someone telling me that Canadians say that there's no such thing as bad weather, just improper clothing.  :-)


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Posted 19 December 2019 - 05:09 PM

What sort of warranty do the AliExpress eyepiece's come with?

 

I would have to think ES USA will not support them. Best to disclose their original if selling used...

 

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AliExpress, Astronomics, Amazon, etc. do not provide product warranties. Those come from the manufacturer.

 

I purchased an ES82 4.7 from AliExpress.  It arrived in new packaging and I was able to register it with Explore Scientific to activate the lifetime warranty.  No problems.   Just had to wait a bit to get it.  I think it was 10 days. 

 

No problems at all. 


Edited by aeajr, 19 December 2019 - 06:32 PM.



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