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#1 hboswell

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Posted 04 January 2020 - 10:10 PM

This is an old movie I’d seen before, but I was watching it tonight and noticed the refractor in the opening scene. It looks like a fairly serious scope for 1953, anyone know what it was?

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Posted 04 January 2020 - 10:31 PM

You can watch a clip that includes the telescope at  https://www.youtube....h?v=8fHMMPXUE5I

 

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Posted 04 January 2020 - 11:20 PM

There's another thread that was started today (Jan 4) about this scope and the movie in the "Astro Art, Books, Websites & Other Media" forum:

 

https://www.cloudyni...om-outer-space/

 

 

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Cheers! Bob F. smile.gif


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Posted 05 January 2020 - 12:24 AM

Found the movie online and took some screenshots. Second image is brightened a bit for a better view of that amazing back end assembly...

 

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He uses the GEM's latitude adjustment as his altitude bearing; azimuth is the entire mount head turning loosely on the tripod. In fairness, It Came Without a Counterweight, so maybe that's the only way. But, I'm starting to think that this might be a nice-looking film prop, and not actually a functioning telescope at all...

 

 


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Posted 05 January 2020 - 01:28 AM

Film prop and not a real scope, that's for sure!


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Posted 05 January 2020 - 02:38 AM

Hah! Yeah, entertaining! Somebody slapped together some surplus old scope parts and good enough for the take. The polar axis is horizontal etc. but who cares. Similar vintage Sci Fi movies sported all sorts of WWII surplus hardware that I recognized and laughed over. One was an R-390 Radio Receiver that we had used for Navy Sigint back in the day. I remember when a new guy would come onboard fresh from radio school --- we would intentionally throw all of the calibrations off and then watch him try to find an enemy signal. Then we'd sneak up from behind and wrap duct tape around the sailor's eyes and headphones and crank the incoming Morse Code volume all the way up and stand back laughing our arses off. [The guy would know enough to yank the plug outa the jack, rip the duct tape off, and then chase us all over the ship.] His eyebrows would grow back in a couple of months; by then, he would be the one training the next new guy.

 

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Posted 05 January 2020 - 02:49 AM

I drew this homage to that ridiculous arrangement many years ago (much earlier than the copyright date).

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Posted 05 January 2020 - 07:18 AM

Man, you guys looked at this a lot closer than I did!  And it's turned into a fun thread!  I had just seen another show where they had a nice Meade SCT that they used looking out a window from a brightly-lit room, so I was caught up in the "how great it must be to walk outside your desert home into a dark night sky with a big refractor" moment!

 

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Posted 05 January 2020 - 08:54 AM

Found the movie online and took some screenshots. Second image is brightened a bit for a better view of that amazing back end assembly...

 

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He uses the GEM's latitude adjustment as his altitude bearing; azimuth is the entire mount head turning loosely on the tripod. In fairness, It Came Without a Counterweight, so maybe that's the only way. But, I'm starting to think that this might be a nice-looking film prop, and not actually a functioning telescope at all...

Joe, these are hilarious!  Would you mind if I shared them with some friends on Facebook?

 

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Posted 05 January 2020 - 08:55 AM

I've noted this before in this movie. Very funny. It looks like an equatorial mount with the polar axis horizontal. Maybe they were at the equator.

 

Here's another from Project Blue Book - a screen shot from the first episode. Dr Hyneck comes home with a present for his son - a small reflector. Says Mars is in opposition, sets it up and immediately centres the planet despite the scope not having a finder. His son takes a look and says "Wow".  ...however, the eyepiece is at the bottom and the mirror at the top. Getting excited examining the ground.

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Posted 05 January 2020 - 09:18 AM

Yeah, I remember that scene.  Years ago, the local mall had a science store - I think it was called Discovery - that sold some telescopes.  I was in one day and saw that they had a 4.5" reflector, pointed at the floor, with the finder pointed up, installed backwards.  I pointed this out to the sales guy, turned the finder around, and pointed the scope up.  I was by there a couple of days later, and someone had put it back.  Science is hard!

 

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Posted 05 January 2020 - 11:31 AM

I've noted this before in this movie. Very funny. It looks like an equatorial mount with the polar axis horizontal. Maybe they were at the equator.

 

Here's another from Project Blue Book - a screen shot from the first episode. Dr Hyneck comes home with a present for his son - a small reflector. Says Mars is in opposition, sets it up and immediately centres the planet despite the scope not having a finder. His son takes a look and says "Wow".  ...however, the eyepiece is at the bottom and the mirror at the top. Getting excited examining the ground.

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*If* they were in Oklahoma, he would be seeing red dirt......which would kinda look like Mars.


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Posted 05 January 2020 - 01:58 PM

Joe, these are hilarious!  Would you mind if I shared them with some friends on Facebook?

 

Harry

They're public domain as far as I'm concerned, heh...

 

And now a shot from Supernatural, season 6, episode 9...

 

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Even the vaguest understanding of how a Newtonian works appears to be the rare exception. Even accounting for the thing's possibly unfamiliar appearance, one would think it intuitively obvious that the open end would go toward the sky, but whatever.


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Posted 05 January 2020 - 02:09 PM

They're public domain as far as I'm concerned, heh...

 

And now a shot from Supernatural, season 6, episode 9...

 

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Even the vaguest understanding of how a Newtonian works appears to be the rare exception. Even accounting for the thing's possibly unfamiliar appearance, one would think it intuitively obvious that the open end would go toward the sky, but whatever.

Hey, give 'em a break, they were looking for demons!!


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Posted 05 January 2020 - 04:46 PM

What happened to the original question? 

 

I'd love to know the identity of the scope. The finder brackets are fairly distinctive, and there may be more clues.

 

Clear skies, Alan


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Posted 05 January 2020 - 08:01 PM

That telescope saw some Hollywood action as it was also used in the 1940’s Glenn Ford/Rita Hayworth movie “The Lady in Question” ( https://www.dvdtalk....395431498_2.png ) and apparently also in Bob Hope’s 1951 classic “The Lemon Drop Kid”.

 

Apparently, it is a real scope but the junk on the end was added by Hollywood I would assume to make it more impressive.  Supposedly it is a Lohmann Brothers Telescope.

https://www.cloudyni...vies/?p=9754354


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Posted 05 January 2020 - 09:16 PM

Unfortunately, the rings and finder are not mounted, but here's a 5-inch f/15 Lohmann Brothers OTA I owned for many years.  

 

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Clear skies, Alan

 

 

 

 


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Posted 06 January 2020 - 10:42 AM

Mister Wilson had a Unitron 4-incher!!  

 

Here he is looking at Polaris in the daytime....

 

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Posted 06 January 2020 - 12:57 PM

Love this one!

 

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Posted 06 January 2020 - 02:43 PM

 

Probably a Questar lol.gif



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Posted 06 January 2020 - 04:37 PM

It isn't just old shows. Even modern, relatively 'hard' scifi gets it wrong!

 

(Full size: https://i.redd.it/t5qc741q89x21.jpg)

 

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Posted 06 January 2020 - 07:45 PM

I always loved those 1950s Sci Fi alien movies. This movie along with The Thing with James Arness of Gunsmoke are hard to beat. The music was so eerie back then. Love seeing telescopes in movies or in modern commercials when you know nobody knows how to use them correctly.

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Posted 07 January 2020 - 08:30 AM

Funny thread.

It Came From Outer Space is, of course, a classic 1950’s science fiction film, and a good film in its own right, especially considering the budget.

Interesting to note that the “astronomer” in the film smokes a pipe, as does the astronomer in When Worlds Collide, which also featured Barbara Rush, which is never a bad thing. This is probably because back then the popular image of an astronomer was associated with Edwin Hubble. LINK

It’s also interesting that we are all picking on the film because of how they are misrepresenting the correct use of the telescope but no one has mentioned the pulsating, traffic cone doohickey LINK that is supposed to be the alien’s light-speed drive.

Forget the telescope, I want that neon, traffic cone, light-speed drive thingy so I can “travel” to the stars instead of “just looking" at them.

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Posted 07 January 2020 - 11:03 AM

Funny thread.

It Came From Outer Space is, of course, a classic 1950’s science fiction film, and a good film in its own right, especially considering the budget.

Interesting to note that the “astronomer” in the film smokes a pipe, as does the astronomer in When Worlds Collide, which also featured Barbara Rush, which is never a bad thing. This is probably because back then the popular image of an astronomer was associated with Edwin Hubble. LINK

It’s also interesting that we are all picking on the film because of how they are misrepresenting the correct use of the telescope but no one has mentioned the pulsating, traffic cone doohickey LINK that is supposed to be the alien’s light-speed drive.

Forget the telescope, I want that neon, traffic cone, light-speed drive thingy so I can “travel” to the stars instead of “just looking" at them.

Bob


Is that the film that Ray Bradbury had a hand in?

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Posted 07 January 2020 - 11:54 AM

Is that the film that Ray Bradbury had a hand in?

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Bradbury submitted a treatment/outline finished to the point of almost being a complete screenplay. 

 

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