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What site do you use to purchase APM HDC eyepieces?

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#1 Copernican Revolution

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Posted 10 January 2020 - 10:42 PM

I’ve been trying to determine where to purchase these APM HDC eyepieces, but the sites I’ve browsed have no reviews on many of these products. Therefore, I am hesitant to buy these expensive eyepieces for fear that they will never be shipped. Highpoint Scientific and Amazon don’t sell these products nor have I seen them on Cloudy Nights Classified. It seems to me that the company must be based in Europe because I can’t seem to find an American vendor. Any advice on this matter would be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance!
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Posted 10 January 2020 - 10:51 PM

Eyepieces.etc (located in California);sells the APM HDC 

You can directly order from APM in Germany.


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Posted 10 January 2020 - 10:59 PM

Eyepieces etc, and direct from APM in Germany. I  just checked, it looks like Lunt Solar Systems  still carries the main lines, including the HDC and UFF lines.

 

Markus Ludes / APM apparently set up a US source in PA as. well https://www.cloudyni...-and-the-world/

 

Don of Eyepieces etc is a regular here and is reliable.

 

Lunt is another long standing player and should be good too.

 

Markus in Germany is also extremely reliable. I have dealt directly with him several times over a couple of decades.

 

Their stuff is great, and the UFFs and HDC UWA 100 degree ep are very well reviewed and well made. I believe Markus Ludes skims the top of what his Chinese sources produce. The binos just get better over time as he improves the specs.

 

The QC is great. The 100 degree line is also a great value per dollar. My personal opinion on the ultrawides is APM or Televue.

 

Some of the best equipment is tough to find used because people keep them or trade them to friends, and when they do show up they go for price close to new, 80-90% instead of 50-70%.

 

I never ever regretted an APM purchase.


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#4 Copernican Revolution

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Posted 10 January 2020 - 11:00 PM

https://luntsolarsystems.com

What about this site?

Eyepieces.etc does not have the 20mm in stock.

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Posted 11 January 2020 - 01:17 AM

Markus is not bashful about his mercenary nature but he does give pretty good service. If you order from him expect to pay the highest shipping rates you ever saw and full list price. As far as QC, there is none in the industry. Much less systemically designed manufacturing quality. I got a brand new APM HDC 13mm that had been assembled incorrectly in China and just did not work. It was shipped from Germany directly to me from APM. Markus responded honestly, included me on the email chain to his manufacturer and arranged to have his US distributor ship me one from US stock. It crossed my return in transit. But when the replacement showed up it had been opened and used. The eye lens had residue on it and the body was grimy. It cleaned up fine and I used it for a year or so. But I am unloading all my APM gear these days including 20 and 13mm HDC's in response to Marcus shafting a respected observatory just for a few bucks. They're good ep's at reasonable prices. But I'd rather deal with folks I can find respectable.


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Posted 11 January 2020 - 05:43 AM

I purchased all mine except the 20mm from Don at eyepiecesetc.com. Fast shipping, easy site to use. 

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Posted 11 January 2020 - 06:02 AM

Try https://www.outdoors...2_32_80_1.html 

I don’t know if the ever stock any though. Good luck



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Posted 11 January 2020 - 08:11 AM

https://luntsolarsystems.com

What about this site?

Eyepieces.etc does not have the 20mm in stock.

Lunt is top notch.Ive recently bought two 15mm APM eyepieces from them, a solar scope and a DS unit on the way now.

There is also a return policy that can be used if you don’t like what you order.

Cant loose. 
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Posted 11 January 2020 - 09:44 AM

I purchased all mine except the 20mm from Don at eyepiecesetc.com. Fast shipping, easy site to use. 

 

I try to buy from Don. One thing that sets Don apart from the rest:

 

He's an extremely skilled observer and knows not only the products he sells but the rest of the market as well. I can call him or PM him and ask him his thoughts and experiences about a particular eyepiece. He's really a "sales engineer" rather than a salesman.. 

 

I like to buy from someone who knows more than I do.. That's Don.

 

https://www.eyepiece...ECES_s/1868.htm

 

Jon


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Posted 11 January 2020 - 01:29 PM

Markus is not bashful about his mercenary nature but he does give pretty good service. If you order from him expect to pay the highest shipping rates you ever saw and full list price. As far as QC, there is none in the industry. Much less systemically designed manufacturing quality. I got a brand new APM HDC 13mm that had been assembled incorrectly in China and just did not work. It was shipped from Germany directly to me from APM. Markus responded honestly, included me on the email chain to his manufacturer and arranged to have his US distributor ship me one from US stock. It crossed my return in transit. But when the replacement showed up it had been opened and used. The eye lens had residue on it and the body was grimy. It cleaned up fine and I used it for a year or so. But I am unloading all my APM gear these days including 20 and 13mm HDC's in response to Marcus shafting a respected observatory just for a few bucks. They're good ep's at reasonable prices. But I'd rather deal with folks I can find respectable.

Dick,

Wow! Sorry to hear about your unsatisfactory experience. You've been so high on the 

APM HDC's before now that I was a little shocked to read the above.

 

I bought my 20 APM HDC and 5 Lunt HDC at NEAF directly from Markus and was able

to closely inspect each eyepiece before buying. That was at least three years ago. Don at

eyepiecesetc is definitely the source to get them from in the US if you can't get to a trade show.



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Posted 11 January 2020 - 05:55 PM

APM ran out of the 20mm in early December.

There are more due into Germany at the end of January and here in the US about 10 days later.

 

Interesting about the 13mm.  I have one here I need to dismantle and inspect for improper assembly as well.

I wonder if it's the same one!?


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Posted 11 January 2020 - 06:20 PM

APM ran out of the 20mm in early December.

There are more due into Germany at the end of January and here in the US about 10 days later.

 

Interesting about the 13mm.  I have one here I need to dismantle and inspect for improper assembly as well.

I wonder if it's the same one!?

Would you do the same with my 20 if I sent it to you? Sorry to go off topic but it’s been bothering me. 



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Posted 11 January 2020 - 10:02 PM

APM ran out of the 20mm in early December.

There are more due into Germany at the end of January and here in the US about 10 days later.

 

Interesting about the 13mm.  I have one here I need to dismantle and inspect for improper assembly as well.

I wonder if it's the same one!?

If the outer 2/3 of the field is badly broken with the center a bit less so then it could be which would indicate complete disregard for quality products and the folks that buy 'em. I have no way to know if it is or not. If it is not then it is just another manufacturing error and that can happen with any of our suppliers as, in my experience, none evince any robust, systematic quality approach to manufacturing when it comes to eyepieces.



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Posted 11 January 2020 - 10:51 PM

I've made a couple of purchases from Teleskop-Express in Germany [link below]. Both times, the items took less than a week to ship from Europe to my doorstep. There wasn't a VAT charge, but the shipping was €45. Funny thing is, both of the items I ordered were still cheaper than if I would have bought from a US vendor.

 

https://www.teleskop...php/language/en

 

 

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Posted 12 January 2020 - 06:09 AM

I've made a couple of purchases from Teleskop-Express in Germany [link below]. Both times, the items took less than a week to ship from Europe to my doorstep. There wasn't a VAT charge, but the shipping was €45. Funny thing is, both of the items I ordered were still cheaper than if I would have bought from a US vendor.

 

https://www.teleskop...php/language/en

 

 

RK

You can also check out the best offers at idealo.de , and watch the trend of the prices.

 

The army surplus optics can be found here: https://www.ebay.de/...=p2047675.l2562

 

and the Zeiss/Leitz surplus here: https://www.ebay.de/...ml?_sacat=28179

 

JG


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Posted 13 January 2020 - 03:50 AM

I took 9mm and 5mm from https://www.teleskop-express.de, 13mm and 20mm https://www.astroshop.eu. In Europe all shops including https://www.apm-telescopes.de have the same prices.



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Posted 13 January 2020 - 04:14 AM

I just bought the 20mm and 13mm from astroshop.eu


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Posted 13 January 2020 - 05:44 AM

I try to buy from Don. One thing that sets Don apart from the rest:

 

He's an extremely skilled observer and knows not only the products he sells but the rest of the market as well. I can call him or PM him and ask him his thoughts and experiences about a particular eyepiece. He's really a "sales engineer" rather than a salesman.. 

 

I like to buy from someone who knows more than I do.. That's Don.

 

https://www.eyepiece...ECES_s/1868.htm

 

Jon

+1 for Don.



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Posted 13 January 2020 - 12:08 PM

I try to buy from Don. One thing that sets Don apart from the rest:

 

He's an extremely skilled observer and knows not only the products he sells but the rest of the market as well. I can call him or PM him and ask him his thoughts and experiences about a particular eyepiece. He's really a "sales engineer" rather than a salesman.. 

 

I like to buy from someone who knows more than I do.. That's Don.

 

https://www.eyepiece...ECES_s/1868.htm

 

Jon

 

Good to know, thanks.



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Posted 30 July 2020 - 07:28 AM

Great recommendations folks! Thanks :)

Anyone have info on this site? https://scopedepartm...piece-apm-hdc20



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Posted 30 July 2020 - 11:06 AM

If it is a scam site it is a really good one. Unfortunately no address on website so you can’t go to local BBB to verify the company. But with the SSL and foreign currency conversion, it feels too polished to be a scam site. However I haven’t ever heard of it before so it is possible.

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Posted 30 July 2020 - 11:10 AM

Something to be aware of with the HDCs is they are a close rival to Ethos in the shorter FLs but the longer FLs are not as sharp. I notice on Eyepieces.etc the 13mm has five five-star reviews but the 20mm has one three-star review. Still, at F10 performance will be good.

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Posted 31 July 2020 - 07:32 AM

How does the APM 12.5mm 84° compares to the ethos 13 ?

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Posted 31 July 2020 - 08:35 AM

Much less field, much better eye relief. [Disclosure: I sold a 13E for a 12.5mm Docter, which is the eyepiece that probably convinced APM to get something designed with the same characteristics.]

Edited by sixela, 31 July 2020 - 08:36 AM.


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Posted 31 July 2020 - 08:51 AM

The APM is getting rave reviews overall. There was a long thread about it recently. Very sharp and very comfortable to look through, while being smaller and lighter than the beefy hyperwides. The one drawback is they have some EOFB particularly in light pollution due to their high magnification distortion. Also, apparently the views are not quite as sharp as the $600 eyepiece that inspired their development under critical observation, but I suppose that is to be expected. Still, for $300 they are very sharp and comfortable eyepieces, if you have dark skies or EOFB doesn’t bother you.

That’s not from actual experience, that’s just me summarizing the thread.

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