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#26 Erik Bakker

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Posted 20 February 2020 - 08:33 AM

Wonderful and small 8x32'a from yesteryear. In some ways a golden era with some great porro's that unfortunately are only scarcely made nowadays.


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Posted 20 February 2020 - 10:04 AM

fingerguns,

 

WOW!

 

What a bold testimony you offered there!

That's really saying something.

 

Good luck in finding an Ultima 7X50.

It can happen. Just keep looking.

(Hey, I looked for the 8X32 for like two years, and went from 0 to +3 in one month).

 

I have the Ultima 7X50 and it's amazing.

 

Obviously, we're talking about the original Celestron / Vixen Ultima series.

Again, not at all a condemnation, but observe caution if considering the ORION Vista series binocular.

They are rumored to be the Ultima in another guise. (I have a Vista 10X50 model).

Good optically?  Yes, pretty good.  But they are slightly different in their parts and construction.

To me, they just don't seem the same. (Notches lower on the "WOW" scale).

But I can't validate that any further.

 

If I may?

After a recent communication with the highly esteemed Mr. Suddarth, he also has a high regard for the Ultima series.

 

As Mr. Bakker alluded to, they're something from a time gone by.

In retrospect, it seems that even years ago in it's "heyday", this line was on the verge of "extinction".

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Eric

 

 



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Posted 20 February 2020 - 10:23 AM

I bought the original Ultima 7x50 years ago when they were still on the shelves in stores . It was my first decent quality binocular and I thought it was excellent . After about a week of ownership I returned them because I felt I needed more power ohmy.gifohlord.gif . By the time I realized what I had done it was a few years later and they were no longer available (except used) and I think were replaced with something not as nice as the original.

A decent 7x50 should be in everybody's collection .  Where's mine ?frown.gif


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Posted 20 February 2020 - 12:00 PM

Hi

 

The Opticron SR.GA is still available new in 8x32 format.

Compared to the Celestron Ultima it has the same optics, better color rendition (modern coatings), a fast focus mechanism (like or dislike), and lightweight housing (glass filled plastics with rubber armor).

They are by far the best 8x32 glass you can get for this price, probably even twice this price.

Grab one while you can.

 

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Posted 20 February 2020 - 05:10 PM

I bought the original Ultima 7x50 years ago when they were still on the shelves in stores . It was my first decent quality binocular and I thought it was excellent . After about a week of ownership I returned them because I felt I needed more power ohmy.gifohlord.gif . By the time I realized what I had done it was a few years later and they were no longer available (except used) and I think were replaced with something not as nice as the original.

A decent 7x50 should be in everybody's collection .  Where's mine ?frown.gif

Found the link from 2006 when I bought the 7x50's . Some good posts . I've gone through a few bins since then and still a noob.

 

https://www.cloudyni...34-ultima-7x50/


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Posted 20 February 2020 - 09:18 PM

Here’s my babies. All have been to Dr. Suddarth, the 8x56 and 10x50’s have been reskinned to bring them back to useful condition. The 9x63’s are a particularly wonderful piece of glass. 
 

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Posted 21 February 2020 - 10:02 AM

What a great family you have there Mike!



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Posted 21 February 2020 - 11:42 AM

Mike G.

 

That's fantastic!

 

Beautiful!

 

I expect you're very proud and satisfied with those (as you should be).

 

I note that on the 10X50's, the ocular coating shows varying colors as opposed to the others.

I found this on all my 8X32's vs. my "others".

Any impressions or thoughts about this?

 

It seems that between us, we have almost the whole line, save for the unusual 10X42.

You've got all the "big" ones, I've got the "small" ones.

 

Wouldn't it have been really something if that line had gone into 15X70 or 20X80?!

Either Vixen or Celestron branded.

 

Perhaps at that time the market was being flooded with so many Chinese imports that such a prospect might not have had a chance to compete?

 

Very nice glass Mike!

 

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Posted 21 February 2020 - 12:08 PM

Albie,

Sorry for you.

 

Sincere sympathy,

 

Eric

 

 

 

 

Ant1,

 

From what I see, the Opticron's you boast of have also gone the way of the Dinosaur.

Too bad!

The few reviews I found were pretty promising.

I wonder what they retailed for?

 

You mention "modern coatings" on the Opticron 8X32 vs. the Ultima series.

No offense in any way but, you do realize the Ultima was a 1990's production, not 1960's or 1970's?

They are Fully Multi Coated and very nicely at that.

 

I am quite possibly ignorant or otherwise unaware of a more recent "super coating" for that class of binocular.

 

Eric

 

 



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Posted 21 February 2020 - 12:16 PM

WALL.E; check the UK website for opticron-, they still show  the srga as available. For some reason they don't show it on the US site. Dunno how hard of a get it is to mailorder from  UK- likely through a dealer than direct from opticron.

 

https://www.opticron...srga-binoculars

 

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Posted 21 February 2020 - 12:24 PM

Very considerate.

I didn't see that one.

 

I see these are still Japanese production.

 

Thanks for the info Pat!

 

Eric


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Posted 21 February 2020 - 03:37 PM

Mike G.

 

That's fantastic!

 

Beautiful!

 

I expect you're very proud and satisfied with those (as you should be).

 

I note that on the 10X50's, the ocular coating shows varying colors as opposed to the others.

I found this on all my 8X32's vs. my "others".

Any impressions or thoughts about this?

 

It seems that between us, we have almost the whole line, save for the unusual 10X42.

You've got all the "big" ones, I've got the "small" ones.

 

Wouldn't it have been really something if that line had gone into 15X70 or 20X80?!

Either Vixen or Celestron branded.

 

Perhaps at that time the market was being flooded with so many Chinese imports that such a prospect might not have had a chance to compete?

 

Very nice glass Mike!

 

Eric

The 8x56 and 9x63 exhibit strong green coatings on front and back. The 10x50 has green coatings on the objectives but the EP’s tend toward the red/violet coloration. Not sure why but they all produce good images, day or night. 
for me, the one I am missing is the 6.5x44ED Ultima. They come up every now and then but very expensive.  Oh, and as for 20x80, I have a Celestron version of the Vixen. Very nice glass as well.  It was the cause of my pursuit into Big Binos. 



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Posted 21 February 2020 - 03:42 PM

Hi

 

 

You mention "modern coatings" on the Opticron 8X32 vs. the Ultima series.

No offense in any way but, you do realize the Ultima was a 1990's production, not 1960's or 1970's?

They are Fully Multi Coated and very nicely at that.

 

Yes, I am fully aware of this and I compared them side by side.

The Vixen Ultima seems a clone of the Opticron HR, and are both very nice.

The Opticron SR has better coatings and both brightness and color rendition are noticeably better.

 

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Posted 18 June 2020 - 08:27 AM

Looking through this topic, unless I missed it, I didn't see any mention of Celestron 7X42 Ultima(7° field) which is what I own. I seem to recall I paid $179 for them many years ago. They are light weight and close focus is around 15'-18'. 



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Posted 18 June 2020 - 10:29 AM

Hi Rachal.

 

I see from a previous post that you say your 7X42 Ultima is an original Japan model.

 

I was not aware of a 7X42 configuration in that series.

Very close to the 7X50 model from that line.

 

No chance it is a DX model?

I assume it's a Porro design?

 

The $179 price tag sounds just a little low even for the days those models were available.

(Maybe you just got a great deal)!

 

I'm a huge fan of the original Ultima series, but I'm certainly not the final authority.

I can't say I'm familiar with your binocular.

 

But if you really appreciate using it, it's definitely a GREAT binocular.

 

Eric

 

Note - I just found a 2016 post from skoro that mentions a 7X42 model.


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Posted 18 June 2020 - 11:51 AM

Here's one  if you want to add it to your family . I don't know the details or if it's available still .

 

https://astromart.co...ultima-7x42-125


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Posted 18 June 2020 - 12:33 PM

Hi Rachal.

 

I see from a previous post that you say your 7X42 Ultima is an original Japan model.

 

I was not aware of a 7X42 configuration in that series.

Very close to the 7X50 model from that line.

 

No chance it is a DX model?

I assume it's a Porro design?

 

The $179 price tag sounds just a little low even for the days those models were available.

(Maybe you just got a great deal)!

 

I'm a huge fan of the original Ultima series, but I'm certainly not the final authority.

I can't say I'm familiar with your binocular.

 

But if you really appreciate using it, it's definitely a GREAT binocular.

 

Eric

 

Note - I just found a 2016 post from skoro that mentions a 7X42 model.

Eric, would you post the link about the 7x42 from 2016. Thanks.



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Posted 18 June 2020 - 12:37 PM

Here's one  if you want to add it to your family . I don't know the details or if it's available still .

 

https://astromart.co...ultima-7x42-125

Thanks Albie, if I was a collector I might consider these. I think the price is reasonable and I can certainly vouch for the quality. 

 

Looking at the ad, it was from way back in 2002.lol.gif


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Posted 18 June 2020 - 05:14 PM

 

Looking at the ad, it was from way back in 2002.lol.gif

crazy.gif I obviously missed that one . My apologies . I guess you have to log in to see that .


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Posted 19 June 2020 - 07:49 AM

Rachal,

 

Just type in "Ultima 7X42" in the search for this forum.

There are several references.

But not much detailed information that I can discern.

 

Eric



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Posted 19 June 2020 - 08:28 AM

Thanks Eric, I just Googled it and found a few things.



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Posted 19 June 2020 - 08:30 AM

Hi Rachal.

 

I see from a previous post that you say your 7X42 Ultima is an original Japan model.

 

I was not aware of a 7X42 configuration in that series.

Very close to the 7X50 model from that line.

 

No chance it is a DX model?

I assume it's a Porro design?

 

The $179 price tag sounds just a little low even for the days those models were available.

(Maybe you just got a great deal)!

 

I'm a huge fan of the original Ultima series, but I'm certainly not the final authority.

I can't say I'm familiar with your binocular.

 

But if you really appreciate using it, it's definitely a GREAT binocular.

 

Eric

 

Note - I just found a 2016 post from skoro that mentions a 7X42 model.

Eric, what is the DX model that you referred to?



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Posted 19 June 2020 - 01:58 PM

Celestron renamed the Ultima line, "DX" after they started importing new models from China instead of Japan.

 

I will not condemn the series. I have never seen or used one.

 

The Ultima line did not last too long after that.

Perhaps that says something.

 

I recall the marketing hyperbole from those days as trying to convince consumers that they were getting even more performance at a much lesser cost.

Since when does this happen in the REAL world?

 

I still maintain that a real, well cared for Ultima competes favorably with those hallowed in "alphadom".

 

I've viewed through $2400.00 super roofs.

Very nice. But I wasn't "gaa gaa" overwhelmed in any way.

In no way did it justify the admission ticket to me.

 

A good original Ultima is a fine instrument not to be ashamed of.

 

Eric



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Posted 22 June 2020 - 05:01 PM

20-25 years ago I gave my daughter a pair of the 7x50 Ultima-you are right they were very nice.

 

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Posted 28 June 2020 - 02:11 AM

Interesting Posts. The Ultima series replaced the Nova series which were heavier but had a wider fov. Back in the 90's and early 2000's I use to own several of these Ultima series binoculars: 8x56, 9x63, and 10x50. They were very light, had good eye relief and very sharp in the center of the field. They also had no ghosting issues when observing the moon which was a testament to their full multi-coatings. My favorite was the 10x50 as they worked better from a suburban location. I also owned a pair of 7x50 Adlerblicks and Orion 10x50 Vistas which compared favorably to the Ultimas as they were all probably made by Vixen in Japan.

Sadly, over the years, I sold off these binoculars for one reason or another and know they are all extinct.

The binoculars that replaced them, the Ultima DX were a poor substitute. They lacked center sharpness and the overall clarity of original Ultima series.

However, recently I have managed to purchase both a 7x and 10x50 Adlerblick in very good condition. They are very sharp and bright. The 7x50 has 26mm eyepieces with 23mm ER and a 7 degree fov.

I still wouldn't mind having a 9x63 Ultima. Orion sells a 9x63 which is still made in Japan, but it is not the same as the original Ultima and is more akin to the Celestron Pro series which was a less expensive binocular series offered around the same time as the Ultimas. Vixen USA was selling a 7x50 Foresta which was still made in Japan and looked very similar to the 7x50 Ultimas, but a quick check of the website shows that they to are history.

Roof prism models have taken over the market as they are waterproof, more rugged, and usually have better rubber armor. Over the years, their optics have improved and many probably have as good or slightly better optics but at a much higher price.


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