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Would you have bought a Tele Vue "Apollo 11" commemorative refractor?

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#1 25585

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Posted 04 April 2020 - 03:12 AM

Remembering early Renaissance models that were Halley (comet) commemorative, would you have bought an Apollo 11 limited special edition version of an ordinary TV refractor?

 

Did TV miss an opportunity?  What model would you have liked? 

 

I might have bought a NP101, 76 or 85. 


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#2 marcus_z

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Posted 04 April 2020 - 08:39 AM

A commemorative scope already exists, it's name is: Questar 3.5

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Posted 04 April 2020 - 08:44 AM

As much as I like refractors, my answer is no.  I buy optical gear for its function, and am not much into “memorabilia,” especially at a cost premium.  Not knocking those who like that kind of stuff though. :)


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Posted 04 April 2020 - 10:33 AM

Just buy one then and have a spiffy decal or brass plate affixed:

 

"This fine instrument is similar to the one that wasn't used by Apollo 11 Astronauts Nell Armstrong and Bubs Aldrin to view lights along the Thames from their Sea of Fertility lunar landing site on July 20th, 1969."

 

Seems gimmicky unless NASA were to say "Televue, we need a commemorative telescope for Apollo 11"


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Posted 04 April 2020 - 11:02 AM

Nope


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Posted 05 April 2020 - 12:02 AM

That my TeleVue scopes and eyepieces have Al Nagler's influence and seal of approval is commemorative enough for me. I cannot look through one of his scopes (in my case; the TV-85 and TV-102) without thinking of him and the important role he played to safely land man on the moon.   


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Posted 05 April 2020 - 12:22 AM

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Posted 05 April 2020 - 05:02 AM

A commemorative scope already exists, it's name is: Questar 3.5

 

 

I did a websearch, I couldn't find a Questar commemorating Apollo 11. 

 

I would not have purchased a brass edition of any of the scopes.  For one thing, brass scopes are heavier than scopes with aluminum tubes. 

 

The TeleVue Apollo 11 Commemoration is celebrating the wide AFoV of the lunar lander so an eyepiece makes sense.  Of course, I didn't and wouldn't buy the Apollo 11 eyepiece either.. 

 

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Posted 05 April 2020 - 05:18 AM

Jon, sorry for the confusion. There is not a special edition of the scope for the Apollo 11 mission. In my eyes the Questar is some kind of commemorative scope, because it was used by the NASA in the early days of space exploration. It is also quite exclusive, due to its high price.

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Posted 05 April 2020 - 05:42 AM

Only if the tube was coated with real lunar dust



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Posted 05 April 2020 - 06:36 AM

Jon, sorry for the confusion. There is not a special edition of the scope for the Apollo 11 mission. In my eyes the Questar is some kind of commemorative scope, because it was used by the NASA in the early days of space exploration. It is also quite exclusive, due to its high price.

This thread is about TeleVue and the fact that Al Nagler designed the optics for the Lunar Lander simulator that had a 110 degree AFoV.  This was the inspiration for the original TV Nagler eyepieces that revolutionized the eyepiece world.

 

Last year was the 50 year celebration of the Apollo 11 landing and for TeleVue developed a 11mm commemorative eyepiece called the Apollo 11.  It's a limited edition, 300 eyepieces and costs $1245. 

 

The initial poster in this thread is asking whether we would have purchased a commemorative TeleVue telescope. 

 

TeleVue telescopes are also quite expensive, particularly when you consider, you are only buying the telescope.  And of course, TeleVue scopes and eyepieces are a match made in heaven.. The NP-101 with the 31mm Nagler, 4.45 degrees at 17.4x with a 5.7mm exit pupil.. Not going there with a Questar.  

 

Jon 


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Posted 05 April 2020 - 08:19 AM

Only if the tube was coated with real lunar dust

Now wouldn't that be cool if there was a small circular spot on the Apollo 11 eyepiece with a few grains of lunar dust lacquered on. 


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Posted 05 April 2020 - 08:37 AM

Now wouldn't that be cool if there was a small circular spot on the Apollo 11 eyepiece with a few grains of lunar dust lacquered on. 

 

If I owned it, there would be..

 

Well, at least a circular spot with dust.. 

 

I think they call it the eye lens.. :)

 

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Posted 05 April 2020 - 03:59 PM

Let's be honest here, he made an eyepiece for a trainer, and he arguable makes some of the worlds best eyepieces and amateur astronomy equipment.  But it wasn't like he was Wernher von Braun... 

 

I think it was a little more than "an eyepiece." 

 

"The resulting star fields were so accurate that astronauts no longer needed to train inside a planetarium. According to Nagler the simulated views through the windows were equivalent to using an "eyepiece" with a 110° apparent field, 36-inch eye relief, and a 12-inch exit pupil. Now that's a Nagler eyepiece!"

 

Read the story if you think it was "just an eyepiece."

 

http://www.televue.c...d=94&Tab=_bLevy

 

Al's work with the Lunar Lander inspired the Nagler eyepieces which have transformed the world of eyepieces.  Celebrating the Apollo 11 and Al's contribution, I don't have a problem with that. 

 

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Posted 05 April 2020 - 10:17 PM

Well, next year is the 20th anniversary of the NP-101, perhaps TV will do something with that (I suggested just such a thing during a recent phone call), but I'm not holding my breath. If done right it might motivate me to buy one.


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Posted 05 April 2020 - 10:23 PM

Jon,

I agree, and I've read that, he has changed everything about amature astronomy eyepieces.  Definitely a god amongst men.  But there were also a couple of other engineering advances made on the Apollo program...  not taking anything away from Al, just trying to make light and put it in perspective.

 

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Posted 06 April 2020 - 06:04 AM

Were not the SX Ethos 110° eyepieces called that as short for Simulator eXperience?


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Posted 06 April 2020 - 08:13 AM

Yes, but did von Braun ever make an eyepiece?  Even a Ramsden?  Huh?  Huh?  I mean all he ever did was make that stupid big-a_s rocket, right?   And is NASA still making the Saturn V?  Nope.  No Type 2 there my friend.  What's up with that?

 

And the color scheme was way wrong.  Should have been black and green. 

If Herr von Braun were able to keep up with Mr. Nagler, there'd be a Saturn V Type 6 rocket which would have been only 85 ft tall and have a true field... er- payload of 82 tons (to lunar orbit).


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Posted 06 April 2020 - 10:33 AM

Yes, celebrating Uncle Al's contribution to the moon landing(s) is a good thing. It doesn't subtract from the contributions of the big names, but uplifts those who worked so tirelessly behind the scenes.


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Posted 06 April 2020 - 04:21 PM

We now return to our regularly scheduled program, "Would you have bought a TeleVue "Apollo 11" commemorative refractor?"

Only if the objective was made from the window of the Apollo 11 Command Module "Columbia" and the OTA from the descent stage leg of the "Eagle".

Whilst I have a collection of TV eyepieces, I don't subscribe to the worship of company CEOs bow.gif ..... 

 

My scopes and eyepieces are tools for a particular job, if the job changes so do the tools... flowerred.gif


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Posted 06 April 2020 - 06:55 PM

Were not the SX Ethos 110° eyepieces called that as short for Simulator eXperience?

That's correct.

 

Personally I would have liked to see a special version of one of those to mark the Apollo 11 mission - a 6.9mm perhaps ?


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Posted 06 April 2020 - 07:59 PM

Sure. Just keep the cost down to $12,450 or less.


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Posted 07 April 2020 - 06:41 AM

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Posted 07 April 2020 - 08:16 AM

OK. The premise for my refractor question, is because the original Genesis, carrying through to NP101, was a space walk experience, at which they excel. Same as TV eyepieces are said to.

 

So in that vein, I asked the question, as much to current refractor owners, as those who might a commemorative instrument, or reason to buy a NP101 or 127 anyway.

 

I hope I have clarified my OP now. 



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Posted 07 April 2020 - 08:48 AM

Okay, I think it would be a neat idea for a TeleVue "Apollo 11" commemorative refractor but it would probably price itself out of my consideration. 




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