M109 and M108 ?????
Posted 22 April 2004 - 03:04 PM
Posted 22 April 2004 - 03:33 PM
Posted 23 April 2004 - 09:09 AM
I have observed both with 8x42mm binos from a good dark sky site. They weren't easy at that aperture, and I've had a lot of experience with small bino observing. I was also using a pair of Nikon Venturer LXs, which is about as good as it gets in a small bino.
In 15x80s, they shouldn't be too difficult as long as you are working from a dark site and know *precisely* where to look. You probably won't be able to just sweep them up. You'll need to carefully star hop to them from a good chart like the Sky Atlas 2000 or Herald-Bobroff.
Posted 24 April 2004 - 09:07 AM
I used to have this idea that if I tried hard enough, I could bag all of the M objects with handheld 12x50s. But, the reality is that I'm still lacking quite a few with mounted 16x70s. In fact, I've never had the luxury of dark skies, so haven't even bagged them all with any of the scopes.
It's kind of funny, cuz I was just considering getting another, more comprehensive 300 object compilation chart system. But, it occured to me that I've got a looong way to go before I even find all the stuff in the Messier and Caldwell lists.
tc2, don't get discouraged, though. Looking for them is most of the fun, anyway.
Posted 26 April 2004 - 08:58 AM
It's a shame you don't have access to a good dark sky site -- it adds a whole new dimension to observing. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy urban observing and do quite a bit of it but a trip to a dark sky site enables you to see tons of stuff never visible visually in light polluted skies no matter what equipment you use.